Trade Ben Simmons poll

No chance at this point I'm moving simons and nurk for summons.

 

I think there's an overreaction here. Ben hasn't played pro basketball in how long? And he's coming back from surgery. He will get better.

Saying all that, I'm not sure the risk/salary/cost would be worth it to trade for him.

 

Just read that a GM considers his trade value now is zero. We don't have expiring contracts of guys we want to get rid of to trade.

 

I agree with your first statement for sure. I'm saying that I think if he's still struggling in mid January and Shaedon is showing that he could be an effective starter then that the risk would be worth the reward of what the leadership of Chauncey and Dame would almost certainly do to Ben Simmons playing center in a role similar but with so many more benefits than the one that Nurk plays on offense and everything that Nurk can do plus all of that athleticism on defense.

 

I completely disagree that his trade value is zero but if we were sending Ant and Nurk for him we would at least have to recoup one FRP if not more in that trade.

 

No way BRK listens to a POR offer that doesn’t start with Ant imo. Or if it’s those three guys going out, it’ll take unprotected picks, not pick swaps.

 

Good, because I REALLY don't want us trading for Durant. I don't think I could really enjoy even a championship got by bringing in Durant as a hired gun

 

Both Ant and Nurk are better than Simmons at this current moment. I would require at least 2 FRPs if we are just getting Ben back.

 

I would do the first trade actually.

 

Simmons plus 2 first for Nurk and Simons? Hmm the two FRP's make it interesting with Sharpe but he's EARLY in his development.

 

Simmons is irreparably broken. I would not trade shit for him.

 

Yeah this all doesn’t matter if Sharpe doesn’t take huge leaps by January for us to be confident he will start next year. And I’m not sure I’d trade Ant unless his value was crazy high. You’d likely have to add Winslow and get back Claxton as well—I’ve moved off the thought that Simmons can be a starting C. But the overall point still stands.

If the intent is to keep KD in Brooklyn, Simons and Nurk help them IMMENSELY more than Ben. Outside of Kyrie, they also keep making all in moves for guys in their 30s.

Ben’s contract still scares me. Elite in transition playmaking, sure. But in the half court, he’s no better than Winslow right now, who makes a fraction of the money.

Honestly, since we’re in a position of power, I’d actually require the 2023 HOU/PHI pick, their own 2023 pick, and the 2027 PHI pick in addition to Ben and Claxton for Ant, Nurk, and Winslow.

 

You might be right about that.

 

If you just ran him in half court sets like you run Nurk: screening, handing off, P&R he would be a fucking lethal pick and roll Center with unparalleled passing ability and not I'm not forgetting about Joker. Then on defense you have a better version of what Bam gives the heat.

If I'm the team I demand to be able to talk with him before solidifying the deal and ask him if he'd be willing to commit to dunking the ball ten times a game, if he says yes I trade Ant and Nurk for him and a future first and feel great about it. If he's not sure about dunking it that much off of paint touches, rolls and slashes you wish him the best of luck and keep on getting after it with what we have.

 

He's in a circus right now trying to come back... to declare him irreparably broken is an absolute and only fools and the Sith deal in absolutes. I'm not calling you a fool but I also don't believe in the Sith code.

 

The problem with Simmons in a pick and roll is the opposing C will be waiting right near the basket instead of coming out. The roll will be non-existent.

 

Do they do that with Nurk right now? No they can't drop coverage because when their PG gets picked one of the most lethal P&R three point shooters in league history is open for three.

 

Just going off of track record and I think he'll fall back to his baseline even in the dumpster fire that is the Nets. If he was here under the leadership of Chauncey and Dame we would see him playing the best ball of his career at the position he should have been playing the entire time... just like he did at LSU.

 

It just seems fans of many teams have this vision of what Simmons could or should be, and how much different it'd be elsewhere. Has he ever played C? He's had three different coaches. Why did none of them think of him as a C? Why is he never used as the screener in a pick and roll? How is his defense going to be against other Cs? How is his help defense from the C position?
I'd take a chance at hoping some of those answers would shift to the positive, but there's no way in hell I'd give up Simons AND Nurk to test it out.
He's injured, he can't shoot a lick, his free throw shooting is appalling. A career high turnover percentage. Negative VORP, negative BPM. A PER under 10. He's been awful. Again, I'd take a chance, but not by sending out Ant and Nurk. And really don't otherwise have the pieces with $$ to make any sense.