Trade Ben Simmons poll

Could have been Embiid, Noel and Okafor. Obviously only Embiid panned out but until now he played with Embiid. Right now the Nets are just taking their time letting him get acclimated again. I think they could be doing it a different way... Marks obviously does too because Nash just got fired and all of that. The truth is the Nets have three guys who have always struggled to play a specific role on offense because they believe without exception in their ability to score the ball in any situation and the other because he is a big man who has had to play with Joel Embiid's conceited bullshit basically his entire career.

 

That is a disgustingly small package for both Ant AND Nurk. If BRK wants Ant, they’re going to need to be convinced he’s a guy worth building around and give up more picks just a 1st in 2027. Winslow is pretty much the same player, just not as good on defense. However, defense shouldn’t come at a +$31m premium. I’m starting at three 1sts, and letting then whittle me down to two.

By the trade deadline, if they offered Ben + Claxton + at least the two 2023 1sts for Ant, Nurk, and Winslow, I’d probably do that deal. Claxton is at least another big body that can start at C and play for 20 mins and you could play Ben or Grant at C in small ball lineups.

Dame/Hart/Simmons/Grant/Claxton with GPII/Keon/Sharpe/Nas/Watford/Walker off the bench.

 

Yeah an ultimate buy low on Simmons has to be met with an ultimate sell high on Simons for it to be worth the risk to me. The contract just looks terrible right now, which is why I’d require 3 1sts.

If they offered 3 1sts, I’d find a hard time not taking the deal, and I’d take the risk over sending out too much for KD.

 

First of all check the measurements, Ben Simmons wouldn't be a small ball C. Second of all we're talking a bout an all nba all defensive first team level guy whose value is down for Ant and Nurk who haven't sniffed that level of success. Due to his value being down I would want a first round pick with him, my initial offer would ask for two firsts but I could be haggled down to one. An all nba, all defensive first team 6'10", 7 foot wingspan, 240 lbs, 26 year old and a first for Ant and Nurk. Yeah, I'd do it.

Oh and the idea that Winslow is pretty much the same player as Simmons if fucking hilarious.

 

I don't want Durant on this team man. we have something exciting going on and Durant would suck all the fun out of it. Also, Brooklyn had something nice and KD burnt it all to the ground. I don't want him doing the same here.

 

dame is closer to steph in terms of leadership and decorum than kyrie. KD is only a headcase if you let him be one, but he has succeeded best in places where he just hoops. Portland would allow him that opportunity to dominate on the court while Dame handles and manages the personalities, media, etc. Chauncey also would provide a semblance of stability that KD has desperately needed since leaving GS.

if we could land KD without giving up Ant, and/or Shaedon, i think it's a no-brainer.

 

He can’t shoot. He’s never been able to shoot. And he’s not big enough to play center. He would get bullied or injured or both.

 

Those are measurements you stated, I was just speaking about production on the court.

Bringing up Winslow was more about me being worried about Winslow and Ben being on the court at the same time. Winslow does all the things Ben does at a lower level, and they don’t space the floor. If I made it seem like I meant Winslow is the same player as Ben in terms of production, you’re right, that’s pretty fucking hilarious, and I certainly didn’t mean that. You know what’s also pretty fucking hilarious though? The fact that Ben is worth 9 times as much as Winslow but he’s not 9 times the player.

To me, this is all about the size of the contract. You’re trading too much production for a risk that might now pan out, all this without an extension for Grant or a decision on Hart’s future here yet. If it doesn’t work out here, how many 1sts will it cost us to get out from under his contract at the tail end of Dame’s prime?

 

How do you get KD without at least Ant or Shaedon? Forget “and/or” lol.

 

Plus he’s got back problems. I’d stay away from Simmons at all costs.

 

it's what lowe was throwing around this morning as i posted. would involve grant + hart + nurk + pick swaps for kd + claxton.

lowe said we would not put ant on the table at the moment and value shaedon too much as well.

 

The Warriors are who should ultimately do the ultimate buy low on him in all honesty. They got enough big contracts and young guys to make it work out. He’d probably be more invigorated playing in a city like San Fran next to Steph in a top tier organization.

 

I’m going to have to listen in on that cause WOW that is wild. I’d certainly give them all the unprotected 1sts and swaps until 2026. Grant, Hart, and Nurk would have to be sent out for young guys and 1sts most likely, cause why would the Nets want those guys for KD? Trading KD means a total rebuild. Why wouldn’t they want guys like Keon or Nas?

 

But he was all defensive first team as a PG. We have no clue how his defense would be playing C. It's a vastly different ask. His length advantage as a wing defender goes away when you ask him to play C. And I've seen a lot of 76ers fans say he has no real rim protection ability.

 

He's just as big or bigger and more athletic than Bam is. He could easily play Center and it wouldn't be anything close to small ball. I know he can't or won't shoot that's obvious.

 

I changed my vote and was clearly wrong about Simmons. That said Ant + Nurk for Simmons and 2 FRP especially if they are from other worse teams is somewhat enticing. I just am not sure if he's washed. I'd want a full psych evaluation and for Lillard and Chauncey to have a LONG conversation or three with him before hand.

 

I just listened to their podcast bit about KD trades. I am not gonna take those guys seriously LOL.

“Tyus Jones, Dillon Brooks, Danny Green, and whatever picks”

Why would BRK ever do something like that?

They also listed Portland as a “Cinderella” team.

 

I don't think there needs to be a long conversation and I don't think it has to be Dame or Chauncey let alone both of them. I think it takes one question. We need you to dunk the ball at least ten times a game playing in the P&R with Dame, do you think you can do that along with all of the other great stuff you've shown over your career? If the dude doesn't think he can commit to doing that then you don't fuck with him, if he says yeah he can do that then you trade Ant and Nurk for him and how many ever FRPs you can get from the Nets.

 

No he’s not. Bam is 255 and Simmons is 240.

 

You're going to squabble over 15lbs when these guys were one year out of high school?

It's cool, a lot of you are completely convinced that Ben Simmons' best basketball is behind him and I'm still leaning towards his best ball being in front of him.