Greg Brown assigned to the G-League

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I watched a bit of the Wolves Vs Windy City Bulls game yesterday.

Former Blazer CJ Elleby has been playing decent for the wolves with a new hairdo.
 
He needs somewhere to practice his fastbreak runout between the legs dunk.
 
Honestly when I've watched him he doesn't look at all like an NBA player, and its not like he is a brand new fresh rookie. He has a bit of athleticism but not enough to be an asset in the NBA. Low BBIQ, low skills shooting, below average defense. Compare that to Jabari Walker, Sharpe, Watford, or others who showed promise from day 1. Even players like Ant or NAS who were a bit raw as rookies had flashes their first year and certainly strong stretches in year 2.

I'd be looking to cut him and use his roster spot on someone who has the possibility to eventually contribute. However since Browns has a guaranteed contract; the team probably wants to keep him until the deadline to leave open the possibility of luxury tax relief.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Honestly when I've watched him he doesn't look at all like an NBA player, and its not like he is a brand new fresh rookie. He has a bit of athleticism but not enough to be an asset in the NBA. Low BBIQ, low skills shooting, below average defense. Compare that to Jabari Walker, Sharpe, Watford, or others who showed promise from day 1. Even players like Ant or NAS who were a bit raw as rookies had flashes their first year and certainly strong stretches in year 2.

I'd be looking to cut him and use his roster spot on someone who has the possibility to eventually contribute. However since Browns has a guaranteed contract; the team probably wants to keep him until the deadline to leave open the possibility of luxury tax relief.
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He was a 2nd round project from the beginning and I think he has improved. How much more can he improve is the question? I would disagree that he is a below-average defender.
 
As much as I love his attitude -- he reminds me of a poor man's Travis Outlaw. Hope he finds more opportunities to improve his game in G-league!
 
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Haakzilla said:
As much as I love his attitude -- he reminds me of a poor man's Travis Outlaw. Hope he finds more opportunities in G-league!
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I figure his best hope is to become a journeyman player for a few years in the league. Maybe get a second contract?
 
Haakzilla said:
As much as I love his attitude -- he reminds me of a poor man's Travis Outlaw. Hope he finds more opportunities in G-league!
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While both had/have hops, Travis had a Jumper while Greg does not. If he wants a decent career in the league, he should accept reality and start all over with proper form/technique. It might take a year+ for him to become comfortable with the new J & develop consistency, but he'd be so much more valuable if he put in the time/work.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
While both had/have hops, Travis had a Jumper while Greg does not. If he wants a decent career in the league, he should accept reality and start all over with proper form/technique. It might take a year+ for him to become comfortable with the new J & develop consistency, but he'd be so much more valuable if he put in the time/work.

STOMP
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How many NBA players with long careers having a strong shot have "started over with proper shooting form/technique"? I don't know if I've ever heard of a single NBA player doing that.

The NBA is the best couple hundred players on the planet at playing an elite level of a sport. Saying someone can just put in some time and work to become one of the best people in the world at one of those skills is greatly underestimated how difficult and how elite the shooting is at the NBA level.

I just don't see it at all realistic for a player to "start over" in your 20's with shooting form and become a legit NBA shooter.
 
STOMP said:
While both had/have hops, Travis had a Jumper while Greg does not. If he wants a decent career in the league, he should accept reality and start all over with proper form/technique. It might take a year+ for him to become comfortable with the new J & develop consistency, but he'd be so much more valuable if he put in the time/work.

STOMP
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...precisely why he is the poor man's version :dunno: take away TOs jumper and all other deficiencies are very similar.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
How many NBA players with long careers having a strong shot have "started over with proper shooting form/technique"? I don't know if I've ever heard of a single NBA player doing that.

The NBA is the best couple hundred players on the planet at playing an elite level of a sport. Saying someone can just put in some time and work to become one of the best people in the world at one of those skills is greatly underestimated how difficult and how elite the shooting is at the NBA level.

I just don't see it at all realistic for a player to "start over" in your 20's with shooting form and become a legit NBA shooter.
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Interestingly, the TO comparison is valid here. Outlaw was a sub-30% 3-point shooter (28-100) over the first 4 years of his career. Then in year 5 (age 23) he suddenly became proficient, and shot 38% from 3 (169-442) over the next 3 years.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Interestingly, the TO comparison is valid here. Outlaw was a sub-30% 3-point shooter (28-100) over the first 4 years of his career. Then in year 5 (age 23) he suddenly became proficient, and shot 38% from 3 (169-442) over the next 3 years.
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TO didn't "start over with proper form/technique". He just kept shooting the same as he always had with a few years of success.

Although I don't see Outlaw as a great shooting goal; shooting 33.7% for your career at three and 44.7% on two's isn't valuable. Probably why he was an amnesty cut and then out of the league at 29.

Being a "poor mans" version of that player isn't a useful NBA player.
 
B-Roy said:
Is this because Payton is coming back?
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I was thinking more that Nurk will be back. Watford came back as Nurk went down. Now if Nurk comes back he is really down the big man rotation.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
How many NBA players with long careers having a strong shot have "started over with proper shooting form/technique"? I don't know if I've ever heard of a single NBA player doing that.
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What do you mean by having a strong shot? Greg's shots features horrible mechanics, which is undoubtedly why he rarely shoots it. Most recently, Lonzo Ball springs to mind as a player who radically reworked his mechanics and after a year experienced a significant uptick in results. Most guys who make the NBA have decent mechanics as they wouldn't have made it into the league without them. Greg was viewed as a super athletic project when he was drafted. The project part is largely because his shot is broken... he hasn't even attempted a shot outside the paint this season.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1630535/shooting

Trust me, it can be done. Believe it or not, after a late growth spurt I radically changed my shot mechanics when I was 20 to become a very good outside shooter. While we like to stay stuck in our rut, us humans are very capable of change.

I just don't see it at all realistic for a player to "start over" in your 20's with shooting form and become a legit NBA shooter.
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I don't see it as realistic for him to hope to become more then a fringe roster player unless he does. The list of NBA forwards who've enjoyed a long productive career while being unable to shoot is short. Pretty much all those guys were defensive wizards... I'd be fine with him developing into that as well.

STOMP
 
Dude is young, athletic as hell, has a good attitude and has never done anything to make me think he’s not willing to learn & grow.

He needs a lot of attention and run, but that’s what the G-league is for. I’m not sure if he will ever be a starting caliber player but I think he has everything needed to become a quality, viable reserve. He’s a mini JaVale Mcgee in boneheadedness, natural talent and attitude. Glad he’ll get burn in the G.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Anybody else read through this?
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That's fair.

I'm surprised Butler doesn't go as well. Apparently, he has some defensive chops and can shoot the '3', but damn, a slight breeze would blow him off his feet.
 
TBpup said:
That's fair.

I'm surprised Butler doesn't go as well. Apparently, he has some defensive chops and can shoot the '3', but damn, a slight breeze would blow him off his feet.
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Where do they feed them better? :stirthepot:
 
STOMP said:
What do you mean by having a strong shot? Greg's shots features horrible mechanics, which is undoubtedly why he rarely shoots it. Most recently, Lonzo Ball springs to mind as a player who radically reworked his mechanics and after a year experienced a significant uptick in results. Most guys who make the NBA have decent mechanics as they wouldn't have made it into the league without them. Greg was viewed as a super athletic project when he was drafted. The project part is largely because his shot is broken... he hasn't even attempted a shot outside the paint this season.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1630535/shooting

Trust me, it can be done. Believe it or not, after a late growth spurt I radically changed my shot mechanics when I was 20 to become a very good outside shooter. While we like to stay stuck in our rut, us humans are very capable of change.


I don't see it as realistic for him to hope to become more then a fringe roster player unless he does. The list of NBA forwards who've enjoyed a long productive career while being unable to shoot is short. Pretty much all those guys were defensive wizards... I'd be fine with him developing into that as well.

STOMP
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Lonzo shot over 30-33% from threes his first years but yes made some changes to his form and got much more accurate. Thats probably one of the best examples. But also very rare, and I'd say Greg is very far away from being a 30-33% three point shooter.

I just see Greg as you say a fringe roster player with no realistic chance to become more.

Blazers have had some great picks in the late first round and second round. Sometimes a pick just doesn't work out, thats Greg Brown.
 
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Dude is young, athletic as hell, has a good attitude and has never done anything to make me think he’s not willing to learn & grow.
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This statement could apply to over a thousand players all over the world that are not in the NBA. To become a valuable NBA player more than this is needed, Greg Brown just doesn't have BBIQ, shooting skills, defensive awareness, or elite NBA level athleticism.

Perhaps the plan is to stick him in the G League just to get him out of the locker room and help the team by raising the average player BBIQ. Addition by subtraction.

Then wait until the trade deadline and trade him for luxury tax savings. That might give the team flexibility to use two roster spots for buyout veterans prior to a playoff push.
 
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