Politics Nov. 2022 voting and election news

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  1. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

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    That whiny bitch from Colorado got in. What the fuck!
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    They do it because the DNC and RNC require it. And they require it from that specific list of donors. They refuse to support your policies or place you on committees otherwise. They torpedo your career even if you were able to raise enough to effectively campaign you'll never get anything done so you'll never get a second term.

    So immediately all representatives owe favors to all of the special interests.

    Yes, the politicians themselves may start out as fine people with fine goals, but the system is set up so they are tied to whatever policy party leadership chooses. So People who actually want to get something done are run out or corrupted.
     
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    Well they will disband the January 6th commission.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Again, which party votes against abortion rights, feeding children, education, womens rights, equality, gay rights, lgbtq rights and cleaning the earth?
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Not to mention voting against investigating a coup attempt.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Voters don't actually require you to accomplish anything in order to give you a second term in office. Voters make their choices on much less solid foundations - name recognition, slurs against opponents, party ID, charisma, ...

    DNC and RNC require it because the parties need funding, like any organization, and there's no other options available. It's not that nefarious.

    Yes, that's the root problem. Our system requires that reps take money from people and corporations that have an interest in legislation. That's the problem, not the details of the implementation.

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    No, the DNC and RNC could hire people to do that. They could let the candidates raise their own money from their own sources.

    What they are doing is absolutely nefarious. It's a power move and it ensures we don't get the best candidates.
     
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    One of my favorites, Katie Porter, was re- elected. She is in a swing district and Republicans spent a fortune trying to unseat her.
     
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    Ok, I guess I'm going to have to ask for some evidence that what you are saying is factual. I haven't been able to find any references at all to what you are suggesting.

    Edit: to be more specific, what I'm looking for is evidence that the DNC/RNC forces candidates to fundraise, forces candidates to fundraise for the DNC/RNC (rather than themselves), and insists that they fundraise from specific people.

    None of that makes much sense to me. It's definitely true that congresspeeps spend lots of hours fundraising, but I believe it is primarily for the benefit of their own campaigns, and I have serious doubts they are instructed not to fundraise from anyone who isn't on a provided list. Seems more plausible that the lists are intended to be helpful - here's some folks who gave money in the past - rather than prescriptive. But I'm open to evidence to the contrary.

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    One thing Republicans in Congress are not interested in investigating. They said Trump taking classified documents home isn't a matter of interest. Not like Hunter Biden's laptop which might have something on it.
     
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    Might have pictures of Hunter doing hookers and blow. Vital national security risks like that...
     
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    Joy Reid did a segment on how Republicans captured the house.

    Florida, Alabama and Louisiana all redrew their congressional maps to eliminate a majority Black, heavily Democratic, district. The DeSantis appointed Florida supreme court and Trump appointed US supreme court all said taking away Black people's representation was just fine.
    Ohio also eliminated a similar district. When state supreme court said it was illegal, Republican controlled legislature said tough shit and kept the map.
    That's four seats.

    Yes, Democrats in upstate New York screwed up badly. Fatal mistake in politics (and in sports) is assume it's won before votes are counted (or final buzzer, last out, etc.)

    But it's not that a majority wants to investigate Hunter Biden and cut Social Security and Medicare. They made sure they don't need a majority.
     
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    Oregon's 5th district didn't help. Kurt Schrader was to much of a moderate so they voted him out for the extreme candidate, who then lost. If they had run Schrader, he most likely wins.
     
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    Offsets the similar effect in WA-03.

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    Oh I know her. She puts people on blast and I like it.
     
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    Sorry for the delay. Had 8 games this weekend.

    I've listened to several interviews from congress etc. Here is a summary of one with the link to an interview:

    Again, I've heard several interviews, I feel like skullduggery had one, freakonomics had one, and I feel like there were a few others I can't remember. But this isn't something that is widely reported on, for obvious reasons.
     
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    I don't believe they are instructed not to fundraise from others, but they are definitely given a list that they will fundraise from. And it takes 1/2 to 3/4 of their time just to address that list.

    And all the funding they could need is on the list. So why would they spend more time fundraising?
     
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    Unfortunately supremacist court and Congress itself killed campaign finance reform. Some countries have publicly financed election. Each candidate gets equal amount. So they don't spend all their time fundraising and don't have wealthy buying elections. But court ruled money is speech and limiting dark money is violation of rich people and corporate free speech.
     
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    Yes, of course they would kill reform. Our current congress is built of people who like this system. It works very well for them and their goals.
     
  20. barfo

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    No rush.

    I came across the Jolly interview while I was trying to verify your claims. It doesn't seem to say either that he was forced to, or that he was fundraising for anyone other than himself. Unless I missed something, it's simply reflecting that they have to spend a lot of time fundraising if they expect to be able to get reelected.

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