Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    To the person I quoted.
     
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    I have that person on ignore so comments seemed to be floating in midair.
     
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  3. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Defenestration has always been a serious risk in Russia.
     
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  4. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Ahhh, gotcha...I've run into the same problem before when using the "ignore" feature...sometimes it can help by filtering out undesired content, but it can also makes things a bit confusing.
     
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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Putin put his oligarch on ignore... permanently.
     
  6. UKRAINEFAN

    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

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    Day 308. Nearly 9 million Ukrainians without electricity. Occupiers damage over 700 critical infrastructure facilities since the start of the full-scale invasion. Group of Ukrainian soldiers killed in Bryansk Oblast.
    (Only four killed in that "group"; they were special ops guys operating inside russia.)
     
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  7. UKRAINEFAN

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    A couple other notes. Ukraine not happy with NY Times piece claiming both sides have hardened negotiating positions, implying both are being unreasonable. Ukraine is only asking that russia gets out of all Ukrainian territory before negotiating. russia is demanding that Ukraine recognize russia's annexed territories (much of which they don't even presently occupy) as now russian. Who is being unreasonable?
    Also want to say there will be no stalemate. I think that before the end of January, Ukraine will have a surprise for the russians.
    Day 309. Ukraine’s near-future goals are its liberation and restoration, returning citizens home, and rapprochement with key partners, says Zelenskyy. Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations toward Kreminna. Electricity deficit in Ukrainian power grid grows after Russia’s latest shelling.
     
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  8. beast blazer

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    So many here have brains polluted by propaganda. Dont you see how they've been lying about how ukraine will win? And they frame russia as the devil and ukraine is so wonderful. The truth behind the conflict is much messier.

    There should have been negotiations long ago rather than warmongering.

    You all may think I'm full of it. But we will see. If terms are not reached soon, ukraine will be brought to its knees.
     
  9. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Why should a sovereign nation that has been unjustly invaded want to negotiate? Are you arguing in favor of appeasement policies? What positions do you believe Ukraine should have been willing to cede for the sake of ending hostilities?
     
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    All wars end with negotiation or the utter destruction of one side.
     
  11. beast blazer

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    3rd party, agreed upon by both sides conduct vote on disputed regions. Ukraine agree to not join NATO.
     
  12. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    The idea that there exists a 3rd party that both Russia and Ukraine would agree upon is ludicrous to me. As is the notion that one country should be able to have any say over whether or not another joins a particular international organization.
     
  13. crandc

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    NY Times lives to "both sides". You know, Trump invited an insurrection but Biden jay walked so equivalent.
     
  14. UKRAINEFAN

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    Ukraine made an offer to agree not to join NATO and be a neutral country in the first days of the war. Rejected by russia. You do understand that a country cannot invade another country and then ask for avote while they militarily occupy, yes? What if USA invaded Mexico? Possibly a majority of Mexicans would vote to join USA. But is that the kind of world you want?
     
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    Massive missile attack on Ukraine today against civilian infrastucture, 54 of 69 rockets intercepted but electricity out in much of the country. Meanwhile on the real battlefield, 790 russians soldiers died in the slaughterhouse as their commanders sent them into battle without tank support.
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    You might want to read this if you think Ukraine will lose. Of course you can call it American propaganda. But who are the liars here? Who said they would never invade Ukraine? Who said there would never be a mobilization? Who keeps denying atrocities that have been confirmed by every human rights group in the world, including russia's own Memorial group?
    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-russia-spencer/32198977.html#0_8_10089_8766_2710_245401755
     
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  17. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Damn I didn't know we had our own personal Russian bot!
     
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  18. UKRAINEFAN

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    You think we just read western propaganda. Well, here is an article by russian journalists who can't go back to russia, because in russia you go to jail for even calling it a war, Read about what it is like under russian occupation. How could any person with a conscience negotiate to allow them to keep occupying territories that they have taken by force or negotiate to allow them to occupy other territories which they claim have to be given to them before they will even start to negotiate?
    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/12/29/i-heard-my-husband-s-inhuman-screams
     
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    Slava Ukraini.
     
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    Heroiam slava!
     

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