Brian Wheeler fundraiser

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BlazerBeav, Feb 11, 2023.

  1. MickZagger

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    If you don’t seek to get help with it. Sometimes I wonder how does it get to that point. I’m not fat shaming, I don’t judge him in any way as a person because he’s obese. People have their vices.

    Him and Kenny Vance are two guys who spent thousands in medical for lap band only to not follow through with doctors orders. Overeating when you have that procedure can get someone deathly ill.

    It’s no different as a drug addict who people shame all the time. But at the end of the day, yes, I believe you need to at least put in some kind of effort to try and better your life.

    That said I’m hoping for the best with Wheels.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Those are neat points and all, but how does it address anything I said in the post?

    I said the team isn't responsible for what he did to himself once they let him go. They don't owe him anything for this. That's what I was addressing.
     
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    Nobody thinks they owe him anything. Nobody thinks it’s the teams fault or problem or responsibility. Just that in the world it would be great if people and organizations would step up and do stuff when they don’t have to. Maybe they will. When I give a lady $20 at the stop light I don’t berate her about her choices or roll my window down to say hey I read your sign but it’s not my fault or problem. Because I’m not an asshole.
     
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    MGB was bed ridden for years in a nursing home before he passed. I am guessing it would have been impossible for him to get food besides what the facility was giving him. If someone controlled the food he ate for years, why was he still unable to conquer his obesity?

    IMO, there are people that are just going to have a tough time with this. Sort of like there are some people that should never touch alcohol or gamble.
     
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    And unhealthy eating goes back to policies that give billions in taxpayers money to produce and market unhealthy food. Maybe if that kind of funding went into subsidizing healthy food? And for poor people, many states are literally banning using SNAP for better food and drastically cut so people have to buy the cheapest food.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    There's a difference between "man, it'd be cool if the team did this" and "I can't believe the team isn't doing this!"

    we're getting the latter, not the former.
     
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    We are? I’m seeing “it’d be nice” and “I wish they would” versus the “they don’t owe him” crowd.
     
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    This I don't understand. Just like you can't buy alcohol with assistance, they should limit the amount of empty carb, almost completely non-nutritional food that fills carts so often when I see someone using a government issued debit card. Some people already struggle with their situation, and then decision making processes processes which make that situation even more difficult. Nutrition education is so lacking for so many people. This is a BIG area where government could help.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Weight loss really requires some measure of exercise.... or literally zero calorie intake.
     
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    I’ve always thought obesity has more to do with sedentary lifestyle than what you eat. Of course genetics come into play. But you gotta move, be active. I’m 37 and literally can eat whatever I want with no recourse. But I’m also constantly on the move.

    And I have a lot of obesity in the genes on my moms side.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Yup. Weight loss is really just simple math. You need to burn more calories than you intake.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    First ...Brian didn't ask for this gofundme....his friend did knowing he wouldn't...Brian reads our forum. Maybe show some sensitivity folks. If you don't want to donate, fine...but insulting him in a time of need is pretty tacky.
     
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    It's cheap. When a family is poor they buy what fills stomachs. And the response is often cutting benefits. Getting off the topic but my point is more is needed than medical intervention after disease sets in.
     
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    Bet you are one of the people who never had serious weight problems.

    Some fortunate people never gain weight. Others need only think about food. Just like some can handle a social drink while others can't.
     
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    Bingo
     
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    Exactly. Education and preventions beats trying to fix it afterwards.
     
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    And those people are active and eat healthy?
     
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    Truly, you don't know what you are talking about.

    If you are naturally lean, or have never struggled with weight, or have hormones that work properly, or don't have PCOS like my daughter, lucky you. But please don't think you know something chubby people don't, because it's an arrogant, ignorant, incorrect take. You don't.
     
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    Some people struggle with things in life because of a a choice they didn't make.
    Some people struggle with things in life because of choices they make or won't make.

    Regardless, we can be supportive. The hard part sometimes is doing so without enabling. I had to deal with that with a family member. A relative kept wanting to help to the point to where now, they never learned or were required to do things on their own. Now the family member is almost gone, and the person they enabled is severely limited because they always figured out a way to rationalize out of their choices, get others to feel sorry for them, or refuse to make the choices necessary. It has been sad to watch for years even though every other member of the family warned them of what would happen.

    The struggle is, what do do now?
     
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