Rumor What's going on in Portland?

I was also confused by that because this IS the OT isnt it? Lol

 

In my opinion, these are excuses for poor decision making.
I lived on the streets. I never robbed anyone.
Ive fought through an addition. I never used violence to find the next high.
We need to hold people more a countable for the decisions they make. Period.
I do agree that includes politicians/gov officials and the super rich.

 

Ah the optimism of youth. My generation had so many of the same ideals as yours, and they helped lead to the Portland you knew. Every good thing has its run and then it fades. Now it's your generation's turn to lead the resurrection. Then you can talk about sustainability......

 

Your generation had the right ideals, they just lacked many of the facts needed (to no fault of their own), and were led astray by the same elites referenced above. For example, fission energy.

It's possible (in fact, necessary) we just need to quit allowing the elite to destroy our instituations in (largely successful) efforts to distract us.

 

The mods work in mysterious ways…

 

@SlyPokerDog in a pink dress...

 

It's the only way they can get me into the fucking OT section any more.

 

@SlyPokerDog in a pink dress doesn't get me fucking anywhere... but I don't judge...

 

Not swayed. Every generation has its own idea as to what will make a city "liveable", or "great". The generation of my grandparents thought redlining was the way to go. How did that work out? My parent's generation thought urban renewal was the answer. All that did was wipe out the most culturally and architecturally diverse part of Portland. My generation thought that making downtown into Portland's "living room" was the ticket. And all that did was help lead to the drugs and homelessness that permeates downtown today. All "solutions" led to relatively short term results. So what is your generation's vision for Portland and who is leading the effort? Perhaps for a broader perspective I could suggest (assuming you have the time and patience) reading the two part series on the history of Portland from it's days as a clearing on the banks of the Willamette on up through the 1970's by E. Kimbark McColl. If they can't be found in your local library, I would expect you can find them at Powell's or the Oregon Historical Society. I think you'll find them interesting and informative, and will help explain, at least in part, how we got to where we are today. And NO generation has the "facts" as to how their decisions of today are going to turn out tomorrow........only speculation and/or hopes.

 

Impromptu dog show here on the rough streets of Portland. Surprised this woman is taking a chance of having someone do drugs right in front of her.

 

This place is supposed to be fantastic

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqA7YXrAkBu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 

Thanks, I'll check them out. But there is no "city“ solution for Portland, IMO.

It'll have to be a national effort. Solving the problems at the city level would simply cost too much as so many from all over the country moved here.

The solution is simply ensuring nobody has to fear destitution and everyone has as much freedom of movement as the upper middle class does now. The rest will take care of itself as the population begins thinking less desperately, and more logically and longer term.

Not simple to enact those changes, but it is a simple concept.

 

This Oregon shrub is NSFW, stops traffic in Portland suburb

 

They aren't excuses. It's a proven fact. People who are poor make these kinds of decisions more frequently than the same people when they have disposable income.

We already hold poor people more accountable than virtually any other country (our prisons make up 25% of the world prison population and our total population only comes to less than 5% of the world population).

The countries with better access to education, healthcare, better social safety nets, and rehabilitation and education based corrective systems have less crime and recidivism than we do. As well as cleaner, healthier cities and less homelessness...

 

yet some poor people can still make the right choice.
Im sorry but i dont care anymore. There is sooooo much information and advice out there for them to see(not poor people, poor decision makers, because rich people make stupid decisions too), i dont care if they ignore it snd make bad choices because they are “poor”

Many many poor people still make the right choices.
All just excuses to not hold people accountable for the decisions they make.

Its an age old parenting tactic. When not holding kids accountable, they are bound to make the same mistake over and over.
This hold true for many who are homeless.

The line needs to be drawn somewhere where, as a society, we have put flyers and feet on the ground to help educate. We have built shelters, we have not charged them for the shit they litter every day.
We already cater to them and there is plenty of information and help on how to turn their life around.
We can lead a horse to water but you cant force it to drink snd im not gonna spend my life trying to get someone who refuse to use the tools available to do so. That would be a waste of two lives.
Sorry. Not sorry.
Life in America is not that hard for those who give effort and work hard to progress In life.
There are many tools to help them.

Edit: speaking about mentally healthy homeless or those that started mentally healthy. Obviously outliers are out there.

 

Nobody said that all poor people have to commit crime. That's not at all the topic.

The conversation isn't about how hard things are in America.

I've suggested the most effective way to limit criminal behavior on a social level. You're saying it can't be done, but the fact is that it has been and is being done in many places all over the world.

We have actual verifiable evidence. We don't need to rely on anecdotes.

Just punishing people harder doesn't work. Otherwise we'd have the safest streets in the world.

 

please stop using the word facts. There are no facts that show it will work in America. Different countries have different people and priorities. Lets stick with the people in this country.
Other countries have improved, but that is not a proven model for our country. Only a proven model for theirs. so lets stop saying its a fact we can fix this.
No different than the gun topic. Banning guns may work for some countries and proven to do so. Doesn't mean it will work here.
im sure you get that comparison, yeah?

I never said it cant be done. Anything can be done with the right decision making.
Im saying i will not continue to enable homeless people to make poor decisions when there is plenty of information, tools and advise on what the right thing to do is, to get them out of their situation.
Im all for spending more for those who recognize this and make the right decisions. im done handholding those who refuse to make the right decision in the face of such rampant and widespread information/knowledge out there.
some may say that's callous. Or heartless. I think its more heartless to say, “go ahead. Keep making poor decisions. We will clean up the mess it creates and pay for it for you. Just keep doing what your doing. We have plenty of money.”

Screw that.

 

Why do you think crime rates dropped from the 90s through the 2008?

Because more people had more disposable income. That allowed them better access to healthcare and education and less need for safety nets.

After 2008 we had the weakest recovery on record and things started changing here in the US.

Regarding changes to the corrective systems see Camden, NJ as evidence that the changes I'm suggesting work just as well here in the US as they do in the rest of the world.

Those are the facts.

 

im not disagreeing with you on why people make poor choices. Im simply saying i disagree with helping those not actively reaching out and trying to help themselves.
Law of numbers.
Focusing on those who are wanting to dig out will always have a higher success rate than trying to help those who use and abuse the help with no attempt to be better.

Check this out. Very interesting article:

https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/homeless-crisis-overwhelms-cities-5586316/