Dame all but demanding vet roster

Not yet. Come May 16th we will.

 

As an example, let’s throw out a complete pipe dream.

We land the #1 pick.

We trade it for Embiid (or Giannis, but for this example - Embiid).

Embiid for the #1, Nurk, whatever fillers (to make the cap work, which we don’t really have many options, so Ant).

Embiid
Grant
??
Sharpe
Dame

Now let’s say for some insane reason the Nets are willing to give us Bridges for whatever we have left (which is practically nothing)

We will have arguably a contending starting 5, with no bench, but that’s pretty much what it would take for us to become a “contender” in my eyes.

 

Yeah, let's just agree to disagree that you have good perspective. Why would you even say Bam and Giannis... that's a bad pairing? Why do we need two more superstars and not just one superstar and more complementary role players and I don't mean one more complementary role player but probably three? The fact is your posts show that you have a limited imagination of course we are more than one piece away but we're not more than one superstar and better fitting role players away.

Is it likely that we can pull off the moves that win us a championship with Dame? Well we were one of the worst teams in the league this last season and there are thirty teams in the league so I wouldn't say that all in moves would make us the odds on favorite. That being said if we make smart moves that are very ambitious, we will give ourselves a better chance at a championship than a youth rebuild would because in the NBA anything more than a three year plan is playing with incredibly long odds.

 

Yeah we are closer to rebuild than championship contender. I would lean to letting Dame move to contender and giving him his chance at title. Especially if we get top 3 pick would set us up for future rather than trading pick away. If somehow we have chance at Scoot I would not trade the pick. Scoot and Sharpe would be a hell of a back court

 

To land Bam we traded Nurk, Ant, and our top pick in that proposed scenario.

So not sure what the draft lottery has to do with getting Bridges, since it was proposed we gave that up for Bam.

 

The Suns wanted 3 starters: Buck, Duck, and Jerome for Barkley. We should have done that.

I can't propose trades because I have no idea of what Ant's value is. If it's decent, then I see the following on the block:
Ant, Nurk, lotto pick.

Don't trade SS, no one else has value, ie, is filler. IMHO, we need rebounding and more defense badly.

 

I remind you Kap had two years on his deal with the Niners. He decided to become a martyr and negotiated to not guarantee his final year. Then he went full martyr during the last guaranteed year making it an easy decision for the Niners not negotiate a new deal. Kap got what he asked for, out of his deal. Smart business people such as NFL owners are do not want that type of shit associated with their brand nor in their locker room. As for Jackson, he is a good running back that can throw the ball well. What is the shelf life of a good running back? Nobody is giving that much guaranteed up for a running QB. And as a season ticket holder for the AZ Cardinals, I was disgusted when Murray's agent went public with his all caps demand. Then the Cards actually waited two months to work his deal and he ends up with more money because of the other deals QB's had signed. But Murray is a short, running QB that doesn't want to run. The Cards caved and guaranteed all that cash. Then Murray was out after blowing his knee out on a non-contact play. Laughed my ass off at the irony.

But this is a Blazers forum, GO BLAZERS!!

 

Booooo. Ultimatum basically

 

Can I take a quick break from the very legitimate debate between what we should or shouldn't do to just give a moment of praise to Dame for how he has handled and discussed this matter publicly over the past several years?

I completely understand his mindset: he wants to win here, and he wants to win now as he doesn't have that many years left. I can entirely appreciate that, and I'd hope that Blazers stars from here until eternity feel the same sense of loyalty, urgency, and competitiveness. And yet, it's amazing that he is able to constantly negotiate this issue within a media that is constantly seeking the contentious, juicy soundbite without ever: 1) threatening the franchise ("do it or else!"); 2) throwing teammates, coaches, or management under the bus; 3) constantly belittling the limitations of a small-market franchise in the PNW; 4) speaking with anger; he is nearly always calm and measured. If you watch the clip again, he even acknowledges the perspective of the Blazers organization: "if we can't find a way to get this done, the organization will also have a decision to make" (i.e. "I recognize that the organization may/should feel that it is in their best interest to trade me.").

Now whether or not we should go all-in to get Dame help now or trade Dame and initiate the reset (and it may entirely depend on the costs and targets of the "all-in" moves), I really want to make sure we appreciate how he has consistently handled this situation every damn time he is pressed on it.

 

That lineup is a possibility if the Blazers land at pick # 2. Ant / # 2 pick for Mikal Bridges. Nurk, Nas and 2 future 1st for Bam. Trade helps give Heat some cap relief as well.

 

Agreed

 

I was giving you an example of the type of players needed in my eyes. I also used Embiid and Bridges in the next hypothetical scenario.

I’d also hardly call Bam or Bridges superstars.

 

Make a deal with the bulls (like give them the pick we got from NY, for example) to unlock future picks

 

Again, why is Brooklyn trading a PROVEN two way stud for Ant and Scoot Henderson?

 

The problem with that is that Dame is worth more to a team going into a rebuild on the open market than any contender could give us... if you think that Dame makes the Nets a contender, they have a shitload of picks but they are on the east coast which might not be what Dame wants and I don't know if they are the type of contender that Dame would want.

Also like I just said in another post, this would be us settling for a five year plan and I think the odds of us going all in on a Dame led team winning a title in the next three years is are better than any five year plan ever is in the NBA.

 

And yes I have limited imagination because history shows us what wins championships. Multiple superstars and/or multiple, multiple all stars.

 

imagine if we trade dame to the phila and we get maxey in return, so we have maxey, scoot & sharpe at the wing

i really, really like maxey

 

Curious what people think we could get in Dame trade? I’m thinking good young prospect or two plus 2-3 first rounders and a couple of pick swaps?

leaves us with
sharpe
Simon’s
Top 7 pick in this years draft
Young prospect from Dame trade

That’s a quick reboot similar to OKC

 

We would still need 20mill in contracts to send out, which I’m not sure how that would work but fair enough