Again, like I originally said, once a felon has multiple times, proven he will not adhere to our laws, I no longer care about his rights. And coddling ain't gonna change repeat offenders. I may be liberal about many things, but this ain't one of them.
When preventing slave labor is considered "coddling" then we haven't done enough to address our violence problem.
"Slave labor"?...Please, a bit over-dramatic, no? But I'm willing to hear tangible/viable solutions, if you have them.
Cop "finds" a lb of fentanyl in the trunk of your car. You are now a felon. You are now forced to work for free on the chain gang. You are a slave, and the incentives for the judicial system are aligned to make this more likely rather than less likely. This is not a good system designed to reduce crime. I posted a link to the solution Camden New Jersey found which is somewhat modeled after German/Nordic/Scandinavian systems, and works well in those countries. It has worked very well in Camden. That is the direction our nation needs to go with regards to policing/judicial system, IMO.
I was hoping you'd outline a solution you had of your own, but I'd like to see the success cracktown NJ has experienced with this solution. Prisoners working for free is not slavery. "Indentured servants" maybe, because unlike slavery, they at least gain their freedom once they've honored their sentence/contract. No, "working for free" should be considered restitution for the crime they committed, court costs, free lawyer fees, and the cost to Kohn Q. Taxpayer for footing the bill for supporting them in prison for whatever term they are sentence to. If there's little deterrent to crime in our penal system there's no reason for perps to stop committing crimes. And Germany's/Nordic/Scandinavian countries' culture is much diferent as a whole than the US. Do you seriously believe that felons and/or career criminals should be allowed to just sit on their ass in prison while eating for free and get free TV, etc., while people who actually work for a living like myself, are forced to foot the bill? Sorry, I'm not going for that either.
Here are a couple of links which explain it much better than I could. https://www.audacy.com/kywnewsradio/news/local/new-camden-county-police-sworn-in-streets https://www.politico.com/news/magaz... movement grows in,and change how it operated. No, I very much disagree, and pretty much all available evidence backs this up. Society should not benefit from the labor of prisoners. That creates incentive for the state to have more prisoners. That's the exact opposite of what we should do. The best way for them to pay us back should be by improving themselves to become less burdens on society, and ideally positive contributors to the economy as free citizens. That should be the goal, and all incentives should be aligned for them to achieve it. Now, they can have jobs they are encouraged to do which enrich their own lives and the lives of those within the prison. I'm completely fine with that. Here is an article you can listen to: Looking to Norway for changes to U.S. prison system Here is another article you can listen to about how well it can be applied here in the US. Norway helped remake a US prison. Here’s what happened. Here are some good videos: USA vs. Germany: Prisons | A SHOCKING Look Behind Bars The difference between American and German prison systems How Norway's Prisons Are Different From America's | NowThis
Not if you think our current policy (revenge) is a solution or too soft. Punishment or restitution are proven to be ineffective and harmful policy and I don't support ineffective or harmful policies.
"Revenge"?, again, please stop with the over-dramatic terminology. Fine, you support your policy, I'll support mine. I read most of your links and there's no comparison between American crime and Scandinavian crime...and sorry but there's a big difference in implementing practices from that part of the world and documenting actual success in the US. Again, show me real concrete success in America and maybe I'll buy into it, but till then, no.
It's a free country and largely follows your policy. With the largest prison population in the world. 5% of the world population and 25% of the world prison population. But yeah, you do you.
Gee, that wouldn't have anything to do with the number of violent crimes/gun violence in the US, would it? Prisons in the US is not the problem, crime is...and thank you, I will do me.
With that small sample size?...and you're still trying to compare Scandinavian crimes to the US...next.
Nice retort, but yes, this is quite funny...no comparison between Norway and the US...again, we simply do not see eye to eye on this.
Camden is in the US. It's worked better everywhere it's been tried. Human nature is human nature. Treat people like animals and they go wild. Treat people in a civilized manner and they generally respond in a civilized manner. You appear to want to keep talking about it. Feel free to find evidence of the Nordic/Scandinavian style policy making things worse.
When did I say anything like that?...I didn't....besides I don't think that's possible. I've asked multiple times for proof that this Scandinavian mind meld has worked on hardened criminals/career felons/violent crime offenders. Again, I'm not buying into it until I see concrete evidence that this actually works on these type prisoners.
For lack of better words possibly? im all for putting criminals to work in helping to keep the streets clean. All chained up? No. But all convicts should be working the day away. Not only does it help minimize the taxation costs of paying citizens to do it( clean up highway litter, etc) but it instills a scheduled work ethic that helps them quickly acclimate to society when their time is done. They come out of the gate with their body’s schedule ready to work. I see nothing wrong with that. And there is nothing harmful about it.
The problem is some think that crime is black and white when there are many different levels. Some crimes are small and even a mistake the person wouldn't likely do again. Some others are sadistic in nature and want nothing but to take from others, regardless. To think there is one answer for all is as silly as saying all cars are the same. We need to individualize criminals more and determine the individuals mindset to assess how to properly punish/treat. Im against mandatory minimums for this reason. It takes the individual scope out of the judges hands.
Sure it is. Just wave a magic wand and poof. Money and facilities for all to leave free with all the help they need! but guess what? There will still be those who want to take more from others. And thats where i draw the line and turn to hard punishment.
