All Things ….Embiid?

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  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Before some cap nerd yells at me, Blazers would also need to send Little to the 6ers. And yeah; Jody would have to spend a few bucks of tax.
     
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    Thats terrible compared to what they have had. And those guys are not sure things. I would see it as a wasted decade.
     
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    What? I couldn't hear you. :)
     
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    What decade, the decade that has already happened without a 6ers conference finals? Yeah I'd say thats a wasted decade regardless of what moves they do now. Its called a sunk cost.

    If you mean the next 10 years ahead? Seems like cashing in Embiid for all the young assets they can is probably their best move if Harden leaves for nothing.

    Imagine if the Blazers didn't have a lottery pick this year and Grant left for nothing. Really not much of a point in the Blazers trying to win now if they were in that position.
     
  5. SharpeScooterShooter

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    Didnt they tank to draft wmbeed, and Simmons? Then traded for Harden?


    All of that star power didn't even get to the finals. Id call the last decade a complete waste if harden leaves and they trade embiid foe picks and young, unproven talent to start all over again.
     
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    Well sure, if Harden leaves it's a waste.

    But at that point when Harden is gone the waste is done. Trading or not trading Embiid isnt going to change that.
     
  7. SharpeScooterShooter

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    nah, he is still an mvp capable of being built around. But at this point you are talking semantics.
    Point is the last decade of tanking to contend would be considered a waste.

    I find joy in that!
     
  8. HoopsFanAZ

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    Dame, Sharpe, Grant, Embiid

    Ant + 3 + Nurkic + Nas + 2 picks and 2 swaps (1st rounders) = Embiid + P.J. Tucker
    All-in.
     
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    Embiid is actually someone that could give us a shot at a ring. But I’m very very reluctant to give up sharpe if that’s what they want.
     
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    If Scoot is available, Sixers would take that deal. They’d prob wanna trade Simons to another team though. They’re in love with Maxey,
     
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    What type of career do you think Sharpe is going to have? Sounds like you think he'll be a multiple All-NBA player?
     
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    I think he has that potential, yes.

    And I’m not sure how many miles Embiid has left.
     
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    I’m with Nb3. I was slower getting to the party than plenty, here.
    Don’t trade Sharpe unless absolutely necessary and for an all star. I’m not thinking he”ll be Kobe, but I’m also not projecting a ceiling for him. All star? Wouldn’t surprise me at all, BUT he’s got a ton of work to do.
     
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    If Harden walks they are done anyway. Embid will leave after his contract.
     
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    Honestly the sky is his limit, he has the tools of Kobe, maybe higher. Probably not the work ethic as Kobes was insane. So a ceiling somewhere between Kobe and Jordan?

    Do I think it's likely he realizes that? Of course not, crazy low odds to be in the GOAT discussion. But he has the physical abilities and skills to do it unlike the 99% of players that have been Blazers.

    So realistic upside is probably more a multi time 1st or 2nd All NBA player.

    Embiid had knee injuries again weeks ago in the playoffs missing multiple games, in a career where he's missed many long stretches of multiple seasons. It's not like when healthy he's been a young Dwight Howard getting to the finals either. He's had some great star teammates and never got past the second round.

    It would be the most Blazers thing ever to trade away that type of insane potential after a 19year olds lone season that we see get fulfilled elsewhere. All for a center with major injury history that has his career basically end from major injury shortly after being a Blazer.

    Passed on Jordan for Bowie
    Passed on Durant for Oden
    Gave away Sharpe for Embiids broken knees
     
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    That's 3-4 years away
     
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    Do you see the odd thing about there being reluctance to say Sharpe will be an all-star and yet not wanting to trade him for an all-star?

    And I should restate that I agree with many of the folks here who think Sharpe's ceiling is high. I also think his floor that of a role player, so there is wide range. And I'm not sure he'll be in Portland 6 years from now either.

    I bring all this stuff up because it feels to me that this is one of those examples of a fan base over-valuing the potential of their young talent.
     
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    Bowie and Oden weren’t All Stars. Embiid was MVP! Big difference. Embiid is better than Dame on both ends of the court. Putting him on the same team as Dame would be incredible. Just pretend we didn’t tank and then ask yourself would you give up Simons/Nurk for Embiid? Of course. No brainer.
     
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    If they get Scoot and Sharpe, how was it a waste? They will have perfectly paid it forward.
     
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    How can the fan base be over-valuing Sharpe if it seems like everyone demands that he be included in any deal?
     
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