We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

They're nothing alike. Siakam can also playmake off the dribble. Grant can't.

 

I think we're not totally aligned on discussing the same scenarios - I'm just saying Blazers might have two plans;

Plan 1 - trade picks for vets now to win with Dame
Plan 2 - trade Dame for picks to rebuild

Some teams might be a partner for only plan 1, or only plan 2. Other teams might be a potential partner for both - either plan 1 or 2 (Toronto/Boston/Brooklyn). If they think there is a chance at plan 2 happening, they may be less receptive to being a party on plan 1 getting executed than if there was no possibility of plan 2. So no, I don't think those teams would depress the value of Dame being traded if eventually thats what happens. But yes - they could prevent the win now with Dame plan 1 from being executed since they smell blood in the water with Dame being available and hold out for the chance at plan 2.

 

for some reason, some people are convinced that Grant and Siakam are pretty much the same player. It's loopy

personally, I think the potential of Dame-Sharpe-Grant-Siakam is really intriguing

 

Well considering Grant is likely signing for some insane $150 million type of contract that basically locks in a Dame/Siakam/Grant trio yes his fit needs to be a major concern of that roster trying to win immediately.

 

Yes we should draft BPA at #23 and hope it hits!

 

It has a lot of positives and yes I'd like to see it. But he is nearly 30 and going to be paid over $200 million and its unlikely to make the Blazers a contender now with Dame 33. Find a way to add Siakam for #23 plus two future firsts and I'm on board to try that experiment.

For pick #3 - hell no.

 

when is the last time the Blazers drafted a player who was ready to contribute now, and not a high upscale project?

 

My concern is that Siakam has been on a team loaded with he, VanVleet, Barnes, OG, Trent Jr and Poeltl and managed to lose to Chicago in the play in game. That lineup is better than Dame, Siakam, Grant and Sharpe. I would be furious if we gave Ant and 3 away to maybe lose in the play in. If they even got there. It's just facts. Toronto has a good lineup and basically were in purgatory.

 

This is game 1 of last season. Looks like Simons and Little are the projects.

 

Yeah Siakam is a nice player like Grant - and yes I'd rate him much above Grant - but he's just not a superstar or close to it. That Raptor title team where he was #2 had a ton of guys such as Lowry/FVV/Siakam/Gasol/etc that played awesome, so it wasn't like it was just Siakam and Kawhi as the two big stars carrying that team on their backs. I just don't see a duo of Siakam and Dame being close to the duos of Denver/LAL/LAC/GS/Phx/ etc in the playoffs.

Just seems like a totally Neil Olshey plan of trading away our draft picks to "contend now" that actually has zero realistic chance to contend now.

At least with Brown or Bridges they are young enough to either improve more or contribute to a second window built around Sharpe/others. Siakam will be way overpaid and a diminished player by that point.

 

Great why don't you show game two's box score? or game three? He was not ready to be a contributor right away. He had occasional good games but was not someone you could count on. When is the last time someone came in and contributed right away. The Blazers don't draft those sort of players, they go for players that need a year or two to be consistent contributors.

 

Who cares if picks contribute on game 1? Teams hold their rights for a decade.

Blazers have done very well in the draft. They haven't had many lottery picks and have nailed the majority of them. LaMarcus, Roy, Dame, CJ, Sharpe.

Blazers suck ass with trades, who is the best player they have acquired in the last 24 years - Rolo and Gerald Wallace?

Free agency for the Blazers aint been a lot better than trades either.

 

I like Siakam.... but he's getting older, he's a free agent soon, and I have real concerns about giving up our future for him.

 

Hes 29. And has fewer NBA miles than others his age because he entered the league at 22.

 

I posted this in another thread, but if I had to guess, I think the trades will be:

Simons/#3 for Brown.

Nurk/Little/couple second rounds for Draymond.

I think at that point we would need a backup point guard and hopefully another big man. Plumlee will be a UFA. Would be interesting to bring him back. It would also be interesting to go after someone like PatBev to be the backup point guard.

Is this a good team?

Dame/PatBev
Sharpe/Thybulle
Brown/Reddish/Knox
Grant/Watford
Draymond/Plumlee/Eubanks

 

You seemed to have left out Zach, Nas, Caleb, Nolan, Elliot, Meyers and VIctor. The Blazers are batting less then 50% with their draft pics and techniallly the Blazers traded for LaMarcus, and Dame.

Plus you might reread the post I was responding too that said there are players taken outside the top 10 who contribute right away ever year.

 

You're better than that. Siakam is worth way more. He's an All NBA player.

 

Siakam is their dominant player. It sure as hell ain't Scottie Barnes (inconsistent), OG ( same, and pouty), Van Vleet (very good PG, holds & grabs too much on defense, and is a flopper).