With the #7 pick, the Portland Trail Blazers select....

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  1. BankTeller

    BankTeller Well-Known Member

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    I trust your judgement on Amen.
     
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    Well, shoot, now I feel like there are super high expectations now haha. What if I do get it wrong?

    Certainly, maybe because Portland was involved in last year's draft, I ended up heavily studying last year's draft and I think, perhaps...it allowed me to land more hits than misses (ex. Sharpe)? I don't know. The future still holds a lot of questions.

    For reference, here is what I wrote last year (trying not to dox myself but trying to showcase that these were, in fact, written and not edited whatsoever....I suppose I can even record a video as proof, if anyone doesn't trust me).

    And this post isn't to toot my own horn but ever since I recognized Giannis back in 2013, I've been trying to study NBA prospects and see what works and attempt to crack some code. People often just view the draft as a crapshoot but I find that a lazy way of viewing things. People like Jerry West or Sam Presti seem to be able to discern between the great players, the good ones, and the average ones at a high success rate so I want to know what pattern recognition process exist in their minds to able to think like they do and to develop my own pattern recognition skills. That's what this is.

    And I'm going to use my most recent analysis as a measuring point towards this latest draft (will put that one down later).

    Anyway, here is what I saw:

    This is NOT a big board btw. I absolutely hate Big Boards because they don't have full context and attempt to rank all players when only half will probably have a long career in the NBA.

    Part 1: https://i.imgur.com/TErA8NV.png


    That draft analysis was written before Sharpe made a huge impression on me (June 1st) so it's not as flattering as it can be and I viewed him as a combo guard, which he was more of in high school, rather than a SG. By the time I made the comments on S2 (2-3 weeks later as per your quote), he had become an amazing SG prospect to me to where I saw him as having a Wade/McGrady type ceiling and as someone who can match Dame in terms of starpower.

    Here's a few other comments I made later as proof, as well:

    Comment 1: https://i.imgur.com/p8ql28Y.png

    Comment 2: https://i.imgur.com/YNMWzGE.png


    Otherwise, I feel like some of the other analysis were on point. Here's the Banchero analysis:

    Was pleasantly surprised that he got taken #1, where I always felt he belonged. I really thought Paul Pierce was a good comparison that practically nobody else pointed out and very few people still point out. Also, people were quick to point out his defense was going to suck but....I was always confused because I never felt that way and so far, he has shown flashes of being a decent defender.

    Jabari Smith Jr, I said had the most potential of being a bust out of the Top 4 projected picks. The jury is still out on him. He could still have a Rashard Lewis or Glen Rice type career.....but there doesn't seem to be precedence of him being Reggie Miller, Klay Thompson, Ray Allen, Larry Bird, etc since all those guys were 37ish% 3pt shooters from the get go.

    Part 2: https://i.imgur.com/PbyJrjV.png


    Johnny Davis, I might be fucking wrong on LOL. He actually did have a solid end to the season, once he got minutes. If he's anything like the Michael Redd comparison I gave him, it'll take a few years for him to show up. I think there's still potential there. If not, I may have overlooked some things....people were citing his lack of athleticism and burst of speed......of which actually aren't his problems in the NBA. His problem is lack of efficiency. The buckets just aren't going down.

    Jalen Duren:

    So far, I'm correct on spotting Jalen Duren, based on this metric and on the eye test. He was a no brainer, to me.

    That said, I've been putting this stat out there.....and I'm incorrect. Mo Bamba also met this but has been kinda trash in the NBA. Offensively, Bamba is statistically good but defensively and most importantly, from a work ethic standpoint, he has stunk. Work ethic matters.

    Keegan Murray, I think that Tobias Harris comparison may be apt? We shall see.

    Part 3: https://i.imgur.com/TqFWHlL.png


    I think this is accurate. That frame threshhold, btw, seems to hold up very well for first round caliber wing/forwards. Masai scale is what some call it. 6'8" with 7'2" wingspan and around a 9' hand. Kawhi, Siakam, Giannis (who Masai wanted), Ingram, KD, Scottie Pippen, Scottie Barnes, Terrence Jones had potential (Per 36 numbers-wise) until his injury in the fourth season, Obi Toppin might have that potential (per 36-wise, I guess he does), Nic Batum, Rui Hachimura.

    As far as I can tell, this scale hasn't really failed in the modern NBA (last 10-15 years). You'll get a solid wing/forward type player at minimum.

    Leonard Miller meets this threshhold, btw. And so does Jarace Walker....IF he ends up becoming a wing/forward and not a power forward/center.

    Here's Kessler:

    Well, so far, he actually looks like an equally defensive and more offensive Rudy Gobert. Does that mean I'm wrong lol?

    Was not able to spot Jalen Williams. I don't know if I can spot the next Jalen William, either. Maybe Gradey Dick? Either way, I have not developed this capability yet.

    I will say, though, that Jalen Williams brother, Cody Williams of the 2024 draft, intrigues me. It's possible Cody Williams might be better than Jalen Williams, too.
     
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    Well if you're wrong on Amen, I'm wrong on Amen. I might be one of the few people here who love Amen more than you do lol.

    I'm also a big NBA Draft guy. I'm probably more interested in team building than the actual NBA season if I'm being honest.

    Interesting Cody Williams bit. 6'8 PG? Probably going in the lotto considering Jalen's rookie year will still be in everyone's minds and he'll have the PG reputation if he plays well enough next year.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    This is hilarious.

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  5. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    What is the context?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I read the title, not seeing the initial date, and thought we had traded down in the 2023 draft. Now I need to change my pants.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    We have Thybulle and the 23rd pick.
     

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