An entirely too early minutes breakdown... tear it apart

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  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Joe specifically mentioned trades a couple of times last night. It’s my opinion that someone, likely Ant, will be moved
     
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    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    "Give" and "earn" aren't different in my mind, since only one person makes the determination of who plays: Billups.
     
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    I can already hear the screaming when Cronin moves Ant for what his value is, not what some think his value is
     
  4. Ed O

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    Oh, Cronin said he was gonna make a trade?

    And we are still believing him?

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    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Just like the screaming when the Blazers traded the third pick for immediate help?

    Or when the Blazers traded #7 last year to Toronto for immediate help?

    It's hilarious how you are already taking a victory lap for something that hasn't happened and yet you know not only what the team will get but also how people will react. You're a wizard.
     
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    the trade Nassir movement has picked up steam. Shaedon and Scoot can split time at small ball 3, if this is the roster to begin next season.
     
  7. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Same. If Chauncey doesn't already have some version of this on a notepad or whiteboard somewhere, it's "Nate asking Canzano for help"-level negligence.
     
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    I expect another step forward for Watford. I think if you play him with Dame and other starters he would compliment them. But so far because of injuries he has been asked to do too much. Put him next to the right center and some shooters and he could contribute. He has skills
     
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    and it's amazing how dramatically you misinterpret posts to launch your straw men
     
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    Recipe for disaster and certainly no the growth that is needed by both players playing their natural position.
     
  11. Ed O

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    You posted about posters' hypothetical responses to a potential trade in a thread about minutes distribution given our current roster.

    Forgive me for not reading your mind about wtf you were talking about and why it's relevant to this thread.
     
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    Understood... The two words certainly have different meaning though.

    In some organizations, the general managers/owners can more or less dictate the certain players need to play; forcing the coach to give them minutes they didn't earn. You see this on tanking teams where players are given minutes.
     
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    I 10000% understand what you're saying. Sorry for being feisty.

    Let me restate that I hope that Scoop earns minutes AND that Billups gives him what he deserves (within the context of other guys available). The second part of that is what worries me, given his reluctance to play Sharpe last year until no one else was left standing.
     
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    I'm with you... we're all good!
     
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    I don't really care about the breakdown over the season.

    What I care about is our "playoff rotation" because that's what ultimately matters.

    And that's when I say... there's not enough minutes to go around...

    And frankly, that's also not the issue.

    If you're willing to trot out 3 and 4-guard lineups, of course, you can make enough minutes.

    The issue is we have to trot out 3 and 4-guard lineups (if we want to put our best players on the floor) because we don't have any front-court players worth giving those minutes too.
     
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    Someone above actually thinks Murray will play 12 minutes a game…..Bro! This kid won’t play 12 minutes ALL SEASON!
     
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    I'd say "someone above" is closer to reality than you are.
     
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  18. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    I don't agree that Scoot gets 22mpg just because Shae did. Scoot played 2 years in the g league against pro-sized guys playing nba-types of offensive and defensive systems. He outplayed Wembenyama in a highly publicized game. Scoot has the body of a 7 year nba vet--hell I bet the kid squats more than Dame the first time he enters the Blazers gym.

    Shae entered the league after sitting out a half year of college, so his last competitive environ was high school. Amazing hops, but just not the same build as prototypical nba shooting guards quite yet.

    Scoot is about as Nba ready as a top 3 pick under 20 can be (not named LeBron or Luka). Shae was hyped as "the mystery man."

    If Portland only finds 22 minutes a night for Scoot, it's just malpractice.
     
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  19. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    I like your numbers overall, but it just really drives home to me how urgent it is to trade Ant.

    Forget about the sunk cost fallacy for a minute and just ask yourself--Imagine we didn't already have Ant. If we had the opportunity to trade forward or center depth to acquire Ant, would you recommend it?

    It's the same question our GM never asked himself throughout the CJ era, because the answer is obviously no. Ant/CJ are just too duplicative of our star.

    Scoot might be too, but he's different enough from those two that I'm curious to see if it can work. But we need more than 22mpg to see.
     
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    3.4 TOs per game. 42.9 pct from the field. 27.9 pct from 3 point. I swear this has got to be one of the most overhyped prospects I have ever seen. How does he have a higher ceiling than Amen Thompson I do not know. Talk about Amen's broken shot, but he shot 56% from the field because he lived at the rim because he's that good.
     
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