The Anfernee Conundrum

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    do you have a link for that? But I'm not surprised

    IMO, when looking at 3rd-4th options (which Ant is), teams value wings; they value length; they value 2-way players; they value versatility and defense; they value 3&D. Ant provides the '3' at a solid level, but other than that, he doesn't provide any of those qualities.

    he'd probably have some value as a 6th man if he was being paid 15-18M year, but again, his lack of size, defense, and versatility sets a low ceiling on his value. And having 3 years left on his deal at 26M/year sure isn't helping

    I still think he could be main salary filler in a trade for a non-all-star player teams are ready to move. But the Blazers would have to attach something else
     
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  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    If Ant has no market, that pretty much stops us cold from making any significant changes to the roster.... unless we move Scoot or Sharpe.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    The only way to get a team to take ant is to really sweeten with picks etc. Just a stupid signing by the blazers, just like CJ. WAAAY overpaid for a one way player
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I read this as: he’s the best trade asset Portland is willing to trade, and I would definitely agree with that, he’s got slight positive value and his salary is being enough to facilitate most deals.

    The problem is, the 3 most valuable assets we have are Dame, Scoot and Sharpe. If those are off the table, it’s not a high bar to clear to become the “most valuable trade asset”. Everyone else is negative to neutral value.

    Two years after Cronin took over and our most valuable assets are the ones we got tanking for two years and the player that was already a superstar.
     
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    They're going to force him to play 3 because we have a million guards, but his measurements suggest he's exclusively a 2. He's 6'4.25 barefoot. I think 6'5.75 (barefoot) is on the low end of true "SF" size.
     
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    If FVV goes to Houston (or anywhere else), Toronto is really hurting for a PG. That's how you might be able to flip Ant for a forward from Toronto.
     
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    You're not horribly wrong, but in fairness a) you're forgetting that we have Grant in an S&T scenario as an asset (or maybe Dec 15 with a signing), so that's not nothing; b) if we had Powell and RoCo, we'd still have Ant as our 4th-best asset. That isn't a Cronin Fault thing.

    Also probably discussed to death, but I haven't gotten to scream at it yet--what was Olshey thinking locking down FRP projections for most of a decade? Not that I wanted the ability to toss 5 firsts at someone, but that's a lot better than being able to toss zero firsts at someone.
     
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    If Toronto loses Van Vleet could it make sense for them?
     
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    It's not that he wouldn't accept coming off the bench, it's that you can't have $20mil/per year in salary as a bench player, especially in a small market.
     
  10. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Sure! I think they would do this: fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap_6-28-2023_10-14-48AM.png
     
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    That would definitely add some vets and fill out our bench. I still think Dame isn't necessarily asking for vets, but more so wanted a Robin to his Batman.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I proposed this mostly as a joke, but looking at it....at least we're trading a 6'3 player for two 6'8 players and a 6'9 player.
     
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    It's tough because I really don't know how much Rupert or Murray will be able to help next season.

    Will Thybulle be back? Will Reddish be back? Will Knox be back? Will Eubanks be back? We have so many questions. Isn't Boucher a backup center?
     
  14. Rastapopoulos

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    If Kyrie didn't go back to Dallas, they could really use Ant, but I bet he does.
     
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    I'm not really surprised.
     
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    Could realistically be our 'best asset' and still not have much value.
     
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    Thinking outside the box a bit, I can see Texas in Anfernee's future.

    San Antonio: squint and you can see a bit of Tony Parker in Ant. And he's a good, coachable kid. I bet they'd offer Keldon Johnson, just because I don't think they see him as their future. I'd much prefer Sochan, but so would they.

    Dallas: if Kyrie ditched them, they'd badly need someone like Ant. Playing next to Luka it wouldn't matter that Ant is a SG in a PG's body. Hey, they got great value out of JET back in the day...

    Houston: This one's actually the most plausible. They're not getting Harden. They're going to whiff on Fred VanVleet next. So they'll have cap space and nobody to sign, and a need for somebody who can shoot. Won't fix their defense, but neither would Harden. Maybe we give them Ant and Brooklyn gives us Simmons? That means that they (the Nets) can still make a play for Dame if he asks out.
     
  18. Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte

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    One item that I'd like to add here: The decision to potentially trade Anfernee Simons could stem from concerns regarding his behavior in the locker room and its impact on team chemistry. Based on my sources, he has displayed an excessive amount of vulgar jokes and comments that have created a divisive atmosphere within the team, including repeatedly calling Shaedon Sharpe needledick and referring to Nurkic as "big phillistine". Such behavior can have a detrimental effect on team dynamics, leading to tension, discomfort, and potentially affecting overall performance.
     
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    Can't see anyone other than Dallas willing to pay Kyrie. They painted themselves into the Kyrie corner. They either have to keep him or they just lost an asset for nothing...
     
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    Sharpe is within 1/2 inch of having the identical standing reach and wingspan as Amen and Ausar Thompson. You don't play defense with your head.
    Sharpe is not exclusively a 2.

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