An Epiphany: Dame should reconsider

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  1. Everything Beagle

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    And we enter the bargaining stage of grief… it’s okay, this is how process something traumatic.
     
  2. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    Oh buddy...

    Somebody's reached the bargaining phase.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    I wish the same thing
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Love Hurts
     
  5. BigGameDamian

    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think so. It’s over and move on. 11 great years in an era that players just bounce around from team to team. I wish Dame the best and there’s no hard feelings as far as I’m concerned.
     
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  6. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Since Dame apparently gave an ultimatum of improve the team, i.e., trade the pick for vet help, he has to realize that is a difficult task to do.

    Why?

    It's rarely been done. Find me a team that has traded a top 3 pick for a vet player AT the time of the draft (or after). There are examples of picks being traded for vets, but usually that is a future pick, sometimes years away.

    It's not as easy as "hey I like this player, he should be my teammate". Dame may like Mikal Bridges, but so do the Nets. And there are some players that Dame has liked and wanted to be teammates that didn't exactly set the world ablaze once they were Blazers. Players don't always make the best GM or talent scouts, and even rarer do they make good decisions based on the entire fitment of the team (ex: Carmelo Anthony made no sense to the team, but Dame advocated it).

    The story is after the meeting he said "get me help, I'll give you time" and then not even 24 hours into the FA period he demanded out. Did he honestly expect them to get anything done in not even 24 hours? What players were signed that could've A: been signed by the Blazers and B: made sense to the Blazers?

    Despite what some people think, it's not a black and white world out there. Saying you plan on trading to improve the team doesn't mean you HAVE to trade. You look into it, and you make a choice. Trading away a combo like Simons + #3 +23, Simons + Sharpe, or Simons + #3 + Sharpe, or Simons +#3, Sharpe and the #23 pick, is hamstringing the franchise MASSIVELY, and the likelihood of the team getting a veteran player that would make a difference in the teams current season and future seasons, are slim.

    Let's say the team did trade for Zion, and it cost them Simons +#3 + Sharpe.

    And even if Zion is healthy, who is the starting SG? Who is the backup? Who is the backup SF? This scenario would mean the bench would be absolute crap (we've seen how that movie plays out). So I can see why the Blazers were reluctant to trade potentially 3 players for Zion.

    And that's IF Zion is healthy.

    So far the other players that were "connected" to Dame wanting to play here haven't been traded. So is it really Joe and Co's fault that the Blazers didn't trade for Bridges of Brown? Both of which are currently on their teams still? And honestly, it would be another bandaid on the issue of the Blazers not having enough talent all around.

    Is Damian, Bridges, Matisse, Grant and Nurk a better lineup than what they have now? Yeah, no doubt. But what's the bench going to look like? Little is often injured, Winslow is often injured, IF they had kept Drew or Cam, of those 4, only Drew is the one who plays...but they're all small. Who is the backup PG? Who is the backup SG? Who is the backup C? They'd have to ride the hell out of the starting 5, and there's no evidence that Nurk can last a whole season anymore.

    And is Bridges *enough* better than Simons to cover the losses of possibly Simons, Sharpe and Scoot? Same with Brown.

    Bostons roster is better than this mythical Portland roster, same with Denver, LA, Memphis, Milwaukee, Phoenix (even without a bench), Philadelphia. Portland would be probably slightly above the play-in with this team.


    And throw into the equation that Brown is either due for, or will soon demand a HUGE salary increase, which given the new CBA could potentially hamper the teams future even more, especially given that it's not really likely that the team would be competing for a title with that roster (which is the only way you can realistically justify spending that much in salary and future assets).

    Dame has to know that (I know he's confident in himself and what he could do with a starting 5 I list). Otherwise, he's delusional about what realistic things they could do.

    Dame knew what he was doing, and it seems more evident that he did this on purpose as to make the team look like the bad guy and not him.
     
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    Time to move on and let Scoot lead us.
     
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    I like Dame, I just choose to think that he is as inept as a GM as we have seen from the things he endorsed through the years than believe he is such a cold heartless man that took a huge extension and started scheming his way out immediatly.
     
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    When it’s over it’s over, when’s the last time getting back with your ex worked out for any of you? Same situation here, things have been said, actions have been taken, best for all(including the fans) to move on. Not to mention even though it was an exciting decade, we didn’t win shit and adding a Siakam or similar talent wasn’t gonna change that. I will look back fondly on the Dame era but I will be much more excited for my new young squad and rooting for their development, mostly because I think we are FINALLY building the correct way.
     
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  10. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Well, easy for you to say. You think he drinks like a fish.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't necessarily disagree with that. I think he calculated what he was going to do, and this was the end result. Since it doesn't obviously come off as him ring chasing, since it's the Blazers who didn't match his unrealistic expectations 24 hours into the FA period.
     
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    There's fault on both sides. Joe for not adding veteran depth. I get not wanting to trade the #3 for anything short of a haul. That would make zero sense. But Joe did nothing while the competition , though cap hamstrung , was making deals left and right.

    I think Dame should give the new youngsters a chance. I think Murray will be the steal of this draft. I think Dame should not have given up on the situation this early. I don't think going to Miami , or anywhere else is a guaranty for success.


    That's why I started this thread. I think it's best for both to reconcile like Stallone did with his wife. Dame will face some backlash from all over if this was to happen, but he's tough and will overcome. I think this team , with Dame, is better than Miami , and will surprise. This is not the way to go out .
     
  13. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think he might see that the grass isn't greener.
     
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    At least the grass here isn't full of snakes and gators.
     
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    You gotta worry about that there. And he has youngsters.
     
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    As a snake enthusiast , i can attest to the issue there. Rattlers, cottonmouths, coral , and now Pythons and boas , introduced to the area by dummies.
     
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    If this Miami only shit is true sounds like we have a snake problem in West Linn.
     
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    Well Olshey lives near by right.
     
  19. Stevenson

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    Not going to happen of course, but I do think Dame will live to regret this decision, if he doesn't already.

    It seems he assumed he could just call his shot (as he does so well on the court) and end up in Miami. I don't think he thought he could conceivably be dealt to, say, the Jazz. In my opinion, when he's on some other team, and it starts to struggle as all teams do, and he's not the toast of the town or management, it won't be what he envisioned.
     
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    If he goes to MIA, he should win a ring. That regret may come after that if it doesn't work out that well.

    Ask LaMarcus about that....
     
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