Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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  1. blazerfan11

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    I'm going to be a Cronin apologist and say, Cronin already won the trade for Dame.

    The guy with no ballsack traded Dame for Scoot Henderson and Kris Murray. (The 43rd pick wouldn't have got anything to please Dame).

    For me, that's a home run.

    Yes, I will be very angry if Cronin gets a seemingly terrible return in a trade with another team for Dame. Seemingly means if it's a rookie or 2nd year player like Wendell Carter Jr. we won't know for a few years. Certainly we won't know if a draft pick will turn into Franz Wagner. But, the "win now" days with guys like Robert Covington and Norman Powell are over. A couple years from now is just fine.
    In any case, no GM is perfect and I'll give Joe at least a few years before making a general judgement.
    So far, he's been lucky as hell. Luck is HUGE in the NBA. Look at how Golden State built their championship core. Or, where Jokic was picked in the draft.
     
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    Why even follow it if you already know the deal.

    Next time make sure they have you sign an NDA since you know everything already.
     
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    I'm not really. I already know we're going to get a bunch of role players and late picks. My only asks are Caleb Martin and Noah Clowney. I know we'll get Jovic and Jaques.
     
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    I think for a trade to be successful, the Blazers should get back a high-level role player who plays defense, and draft picks. It'll take time (probably a few seasons) to find out what we got in the whole package.
     
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    So why follow it? You already know.

    Have you realized it yet? No?
     
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    What am I following?

    Are you following me?

    Wanna play follow the leader?

    Why the obsession with following?
     
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    I was told it was miami and no one else. That we werent listening to other offers, no other teams were involved. just miami.
     
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    Im just laughing at this point. its really funny to me.
     
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    It’s funny to me that people call Cronin spineless because he really looked Dame in the eye and told him through his actions: “I’m drafting a point guard, I’m not trading him… you want in or out?”

    Dame wanted out. That’s fine. It’s also the move ownership and Cronin probably wanted. The team can’t mortgage its future for Dame. Both in that they shouldn’t and that they lacked the resources to do it correctly.

    Dame isn’t objective in his assessment of players; his ideas to get players were much more about bringing in guys he wanted to play with, not the best players we could get and certainly not the best players for the team.

    Cronin didn’t cave in to Dame, which has to be one of the ballsiest moves possible, smart or not (people here gotta remember balls are not brains, and sometimes they make the brains worse lol).
     
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    Yeah you seem like a That 70's Show kinda guy.

    Mike Ritchman and Marc Spears have reported today that Dame is going to Miami. If I'm wrong, you can m say I told you so.

    But until then... FOLLOW ME.
     
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    Dame to Cronin: " I demand to go to Miami."

    Cronin to Dame: " I tried. You're going to Detroit."
     
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    This idea that “going to Miami” means we lose is asinine. You can send Dame to Miami and also get back what you want. If multiple teams are involved the fact that Dame ends up in Miami is nearly meaningless; all that matters is what we get back.
     
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    I think the Blazers are in an industry that isn't unlike any other in that it's segmented. Not only by market size but product produced.
    Not every team can be a high end market, Lexus, Acura, but the majority of teams every year are more like Chevrolet, Ford, Kia, mid markets, and like every other market segment there is the laggard segment.
    Good, Better, Best
     
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    Yep.
     
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    Is the deal finished? Has it been reported?
     
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    "Dame isn’t objective in his assessment of players; his ideas to get players were much more about bringing in guys he wanted to play with, not the best players we could get and certainly not the best players for the team."

    It feels like he didn't at all evaluate what the Blazers got in the draft. A PG who does what Dame doesn't do, a 22-year old forward, and a young guy who will be happy just playing defense.
     
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    we are definitely in a Good market segment and while we want that Best product, the fact is that both teams that went to the finals were Better products that overperformed (which is fantastic!) and that’s what we should be aiming for right now. Best assets won’t come here willingly. But we can draft them; we’ve proven that. So draft and build, when the players you drafted don’t work out, move them out. That’s our process.
     
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    Yeah the latest report I can find on Twitter is the "Blazers aren't impressed with the Heat's offer" bit...

    Not seeing anything from Richman today.

    Biases be damned, it seems silly and disingenuous to critique a trade that hasn't happened yet...
     
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    It also seems that it's dawned on people that Scoot is closer to 6' 4" in shoes than 6 ' 2".
    How "high end" you are depends on your roster and wins and losses, not where your team is located. NY for many years was a dumpster only New Yorkers watched, while San Antonio was the Lexus.
     
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    Richman posts his pods the night before.
     

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