No one, as far as I know of, has said there are or are not drawbacks...but if Camden is some sort of Panacea, why aren't more cities/ counties implementing it? Camden started on its current path about 10 years ago but aside from violent crimes, they still have some serious obstacles to overcome...and those obstacles cannot/are not being overcome by changes in in the police department alone. As I've pointed to multiple times, the problem isn't so much having to do with the police, as it does with the culture in many cities/areas. And without cultural changes, changes in police procedure alone, won't solve the issue.
I'm totally fine with Portland only reducing violent crime and theft 70% the way Camden has done. What more were you hoping to see? Portland nowhere near most dangerous cities in the US, new study of crime data shows So if we can fix the police and get our homelessness in homes (which we have funded, remains to be seen if our leaders can figure out how to make it happen), and treat our sick, we'd likely have nicer neighborhoods with higher quality of living. And that tends to correlate with a safer and more productive culture. More so than anything else, from the reading I've done.
You value their opinion so much that you refuse to support your dissenting claims with any substance. Leaving me no choice but to engage with you in order to maintain a productive dialogue in the thread. Unsupported claims are far too often the same strawmen that have caused our society so much trouble.
In more recent Georgia police news: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-marshal-georgia-officer-indicted-death-man-shot-76-n1282479 https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/us/georgia-officers-indicted-murder/index.html https://www.11alive.com/article/new...-word/85-0c81395b-9623-41bf-afaa-4146fd5530fa https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/22/us/georgia-camden-jail-beating-arrest.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...-child-molestation-sexual-battery/ar-AA1eQbem I wonder if life-saving is tracked as a -1 on the police-caused deaths meter.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...s-boy-ps5-after-cops-were-called/70474867007/ https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/ge...d-deed-back-sheriffs-office/story?id=32073763 https://nationalpolice.org/main/str...hings-happen-when-great-people-work-together/ https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/09/07/georgia-police-embrace-community-outreach-address-crime https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/be...eed-caught-camera/RAEDMRWKC5FMXI5SR3U5GGAERQ/
I don't know how to tell you that a 50/50 Murder/Rape-to-Giving Away PS5s ratio isn't the slam dunk you think it is.
gotcha. It initially read to me as get rid of them all first and then hire new ones. Thanks for explaining, those details very much matter. I think most all of us understand there is a foundational flaw with how current law enforcement agencies operate. There is also still a need for peaceable presence to keep the ones with bad intentions in check, or deterred. I see more and more stories of officers trying to create report with the neighborhoods they patrol. Trying to participate in community events etc. If… when the time comes where overhauls are happening in an increasing fashion. I would hope these good cops will seize the moment and turn on their fellow bad cops. There are good cops out there, they also want to keep their jobs because they believe they can still do more good on the streets than unemployed.
It seems you might have a bit different landscape of corruption in your areas. What you described about the local sheriff is not right. People don't want to stand up and demand change through voice and protests?
No, I think it's more of a case of "better the devil you know than the devil you don't know"...and sadly, that seems to be precisely the mindset many voters have.
