Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. UKRAINEFAN

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    Good interview with Mark Hertling explaining what Ukraine is trying to do now, why Britains's Storm Shadow missiles are so important and how Ukraine puts together a sea drone costing maybe $2000 and attacks $100 million ships with it.
     
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    Woman arrested in plot to assassinate President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Ukraine says

    https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...olodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine/story?id=102065597



    KYIV and LONDON -- A Ukrainian woman has been detained by Ukraine’s Security Service in connection with an apparent plot to attack President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the service said on Monday.

    The woman, who is from Mykolaiv but was not publicly named, was being questioned, officials said. She had been part of a plot aimed at assassinating Zelenskyy during his visit last week to Mykolaiv, a southeastern city near the front, officials said.

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    An undated photo released by Ukraine's Security Services shows a woman, center, being detained by law enforcement after she was accused of plotting to assassinate President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
    Ukraine's Security Services
    Law enforcement officials said she had been caught "red-handed" as she handed info to the Russians.

    She allegedly was passing information on to Russian forces about Zelenskyy's location, including a full itinerary of the president's visit to the region. The Russians would have then ordered an airstrike to assassinate him, Ukrainian officials alleged.

    Investigators learned of the woman's alleged plans ahead of the visit and Zelenskyy took “additional security measures” while in the area, security officials said.

    “The Ukrainian Security Service continued to document the criminal actions of the enemy accomplice in order to obtain new data about her Russian ‘curators’ and the tasks received,” officials said in a Monday statement written in Ukrainian.

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    Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy speaks staff as he visits a military hospital in the town of Ochakov, in Mykolaiv region, Ukraine July 27, 2023.
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    As investigators gathered additional info, they found that the woman had been locating Ukraine’s defense systems and ammunition warehouses throughout the Ochakov region, they said. She traveled to the region and photographed sites, officials said.

    The woman had allegedly been planning to share that info with Russia for “a new massive air strike” in the region.

    Zelenksyy said he was briefed on "the struggle against traitors in Ukraine" during his daily conference call with Ukrainian leaders on Monday.
     
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    This is s small city in the eastern region that supposedly voted overwhelmingly for pro russian candidate. I wonder how they would vote now. This is clearly not a military target.
     
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    Second attack once they knew rescue crews were there, a terrorist tactic.
     
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    A 3 month old tiger cub Russia stole from Mariupol zoo has died in a Russian circus. The tiger was not bred as a circus animal.

    I hope mama tiger has a chance to avenge her baby.
     
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    As the world stands by and allows it!
    Dont want to hear about oh they got nukes!
    Its time for Nato to take Putin out!
     
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    Ir this war will to on and on…..
     
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    Or just give Ukraine as many long range rockets as they want and let them use them wherever they want.
     
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    I am all for taking Putin out. BUT!

    That alone will not end Russia's agression. It would take a complete destruction and rebuilding of Russia's system, similar to Japan after WW2.

    If their one party system is allowed to continue, anyone replacing Putin will be pushing the same agendas. All opposition to Putins agendas have been removed and silenced.
     
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    Don't know if giving Ukraine long range rockets would be a good move...however, from what I've read the weaponry the US has already given Ukraine is only about 5% of our total defense budget.

    And IMO, that's not nearly enough, even though the US has already contributed far more than anyone else.
     
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    They already have long range missiles from Britain and France, they just need more. russia is able to fire 30-40 missiles per day at Ukrainian cities. Ukraine would be happy if they could fire 10 a day at russian military targets.
     
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    Good interview with ret general Ben Hodges. Main point: He can't understand why Biden won't commit to Ukraine actually winning the war and won't give them the long range rockets that they can win with.

     
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    I understand, at least I think I do. But if they already have long range missiles why aren't they using them? We're in a very critical time..and other countries need to do more. And if the US really wants to be a leader in what's right and what's wrong, they need to act like it and just fucking stop with the half measures, because that approach is clearly not working.
     
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    Thanks,
    When I made that rant I had just come in from ripping lips and had a couple snake bites.
    I realize we need to use solid judgment but man, to watch this go on and on is very sad.
    People that dont really have a fight are being killed and disrespected.
     
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    They are using them, mostly against targets in Crimea. They hit two bridges there recently that connect Crimea to the mainland. They also hit a railroad and a refinery. One reason I don't think they have very many is a video I saw of one of the bridge strikes. There was just one big hole in the pavement of the bridge, but cars were still able to cross the bridge.
     
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    Understood...for me, if the US raises the ante by giving Ukraine more rockets, Ukraine would have to promise the US that they would not be used inside the borders of Russia, and instead only be used to recapture Ukrainian land that Russia has seized.

    Also, these sea drones can really help Ukraines cause;

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-sea-drones-attacks-russia-war-rcna98721


    Ukraine turns to sea drones in bid to take the war to Russia
    A spate of recent attacks on high-profile targets signal an apparent shift in Kyiv’s effort to wear its invader down.
     
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    Ukraine has designed and are manufacturing these sea drones themselves. Also different enterprises in Ukraine are manufacturing air drones of different types and sizes, thousands and thousands a month. They are also manufacturing 152 and 155 mm shells for artillery.
     
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