Pac 12... 11... 10... 9... 8... 7...6...5...4... POOF!

I agree every fan base has fair weather fans. If I said Oregon and Washington don't have fair-weather fans then I misspoke. I don't believe I did.

Your theory that fair weather fans might come and go in terms of rooting for Oregon now that they're in the B1G, I would also agree. By definition, fair weather fans come and go for all sorts of reasons. Another reason fair weather fans may come/go is if they realize the team they were once interested in are in a vastly inferior conference and has almost no chance to compete on a national due to a lack of resources to retain players, coaches, upgrade facilities, etc. Probably why fair-weather fans are super interest in Portland St.

Regarding road travel, I almost never see college kids at any road game, even in Corvallis/Seattle. Those are hard/expensive tickets to get. Sometimes you see a handful at the Stanford/Cal game, but it's in the dozens. So the impact of maybe a hundred college kids not making road games is virtually a moot point to me. The fair-weather fans don't really travel to games, so I exclude them also. The die-hards seem to be pumped to go to stadiums rich in tradition and a great atmosphere.

The ESPN contract that that school presidents rejected in 2022 did all for schools to make revenue in other places. As does the B1G contract. So the future $30m+ gap I referenced is still mostly accurate. I might argue that those other revenue streams will be easier to tap into while competing at a national level.

At the end of the day, we'll never know what would've been better because only one direction will have results in the future. We agree that fair-weather fans will continue to be fair-weather fans. I think Oregon's potential to add fair weather fans has also increased greatly with this change for many of the reasons I previously listed. We'll see if you theory that local teams who stay in the region benefit greatly from fair-weather fan support is true. I'll keep my eye on Portland St attendence and even Oregon St if they go to the Mountain West.

 

you would tune in for a 6-6 Pac-9 team but not a 6-6 BIG team?

meaning that fan interest that depends on winning would wane for a losing team no matter who they were playing. The key is to rarely have losing teams then

I know a lot of Duck fans that would attend every game in California or Arizona but would never attend games in Pullman or Corvallis or Boulder. But then, a lot of Duck fans don't live in the Willamette valley; don't even live in Oregon

there may be fewer Duck fans attending a game at Ohio State or Michigan than would at UCLA or ASU. But what difference would it make? Having 7000 Duck fans among the 100,000 in Columbus or Ann Arbor won't be different than having 5000

and a lot more eyeballs will tune into Oregon playing ranked Ohio State or Penn State or Michigan than when they play 2-7 Colorado or 4-6 ASU or 5-5 WSU

 

Im a Duck through and through and am never opposed to change/progress/improvement if cost of doing so is reasonable and necessary. It would be nice if eventually the New Big could add a few more West Region Teams to make up a Western Division.

 

We shall see. All of this is driven by tv viewership right? Just using myself as an example, i don't see myself watching nearly as many games unless they are winning. I see it harder for them to win now. This, in turn, will affect their viewership and thus their future contract income. Just not sure this is good long term.

one thing i failed to mention are all the other sports tes thst rely on football income to survive. Sure the football tram along only equates to x extra dollars and time but what about all the schools sports? I think it will add up quickly and schools will find the money being dispersed quicker than anticipated to cover travel costs. if there is something in the contract addressing all sports travel, then im incorrect in my thoughts, but i have not heard of aNy such stipulation.

 

That is how i see it working. They need to pick up osu and wsu Nd a couple others and create a division, minimizing the travel of so many non-football sports.

 

Football essentially pays for all the other sports. Men's basketball can kick in some profit but that's usually a conference disbursement for March Madness

IIRC, the formula for March Madness, in the PAC, is that the networks pay $340,000 to the conference for each game played by conference teams in the tournament. That money is pooled on a 6-year rotation, then disbursed pro-rata each year based on an running average over the 6 year time frame (that's a PAC formula). So, next season, the pool will be how much the conference teams earned in the 2019-2024 tournaments. If the total over those 6 seasons is 24M, then the 24M is divided by 6 years....leaving a 4M disbursement among the conference teams. That being the conference teams that are still members of the conference

this a a big reason why OSU/WSU want to try and keep the Pac-12 going as a conference. They are picturing receiving 1-2M a year for the 5 years after next season based upon 2020-2024 MM revenue (I don't know how the BIG disburses March Madness revenue)

anyway, football pays for the other sports so the reality is that the more revenue football generates the better it is for all

and yes, there were two significant pivot points the PAC bollixed in the last 2 years. One was in 2021 when they voted on adding Big-12 teams like Ok State and Baylor (Big-12 was in panic mode after Texas/OK left for SEC). The vote was 8-4 against and USC led the charge against expansion. The other was when they had an opportunity to accept the 30-33M/year offer from ESPN (they would have made a little bit more, each, by having ESPN partner with the Pac-12 network)

Oregon voted yes on expansion is 2021; OSU voted no. Oregon was in favor of accepting ESPN's offer in 2022; OSU was opposed. That's why it's so insane and hypocritical that OSU-nation is blaming Oregon for the PAC's demise

 

BIG would never add OSU/WSU. They might add Stanford

 

Whole family are die hard life long Ducks and Duck fans. I record and watch every football and basketball game regardless of how their season is going. I assume most fans do the same with their favorite teams?

 

Georgia is the back-2-back national champion. This is their schedule next season:



the SEC knows how to schedule OOC

 

There going to lose this one though FAMS!

 

on the other hand...

AAC:





MWC:



Reser's 35,548 capacity would fit well in either conference

 

Rumors are that Oregon and Washington got full payouts for the B1G.

 

https://fansided.com/2023/08/11/ohi...urce=msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn

 

I'd love if it were true, but that's very much in conflict with what Oregon president Karl Scholz said on August 4th.

What is the source of this rumor?

 

For context, John Buhler has 10% of the twitter followers of Danny Marange. That article made a real sloppy leap in saying Oregon didn't want to leave for less than a full share and that Fox brought new money to the table, therefore Oregon got a full share.

Not saying I know it's wrong, but I can't figure out why Oregon's president would announce Oregon will average $50m/year in media revenue over the next 10 years, when in fact they're starting out at $60m/year in 2024.

 

50 sounded high considering we originally heard something like 30.

 

50 average

 

Think Autzen will be one of the smallest in the B18.