This is one of the most ridiculous and disingenuous things I've ever read. Good job. Since we're using ridiculous analogies, add in the scenario where the husband was driving home from his mistresses place and his wife found out he was cheating and left him. But she didn't say anything to her friends and they think she left him because of a car accident he had no control over. That's closer then whatever you just said.
That's exactly what this forum has been doing for almost two months now. I've moved past crying about Cronin and come here to see people saying wild shit about Dame unfollowing the Blazers on Instagram. Cmon now. If that was me, you wouldn't have a problem, even though it'd be doing exactly what you're talking about.
What a stupid take; Cronin is about the most anti-PR guy hire an NBA team has ever made. Not saying he is a good or bad GM - but the notion he was hired for his public speaking skills is obviously false if you watch 2 minutes of him.
That's fine that you think that way. I understand it. I would lean that direction to if I hadn't heard some stuff that I trust, and have my own opinions. Now I can't voice those without a mod popping off about "crying on YouTube like your father died" which is bullshit.
There's a difference between being good at PR and good at public speaking. They're not directly correlated. Olshey was a great public speaker but rubbed people the wrong way. Cronin is the opposite, and I think hiring a relatable guy who wasn't some slick snake oil salesman was a good PR move.
Your statements make no sense and don't logically line up. Jody and the Vulcan's being shit owners is something most fans here agree with. Them doing a lazy job in hiring Joe doesn't make Joe a "PR guy". Dame preached loyalty and sold his brand on it then took a dump on Blazers fans with this Miami or bust trade demand. Cronin never sold himself as a GM that made his reputation based on loyalty. Dame sold himself to fans, media and the world on that loyalty. Dame is entirely responsible for the disappointment Blazer fans feel with Dame and the blame they place on Dame. It doesn't matter if Cronin failed in what he wanted to do for Dame or not. Cronin has a duty to do all the moves in the best interest of the Blazers - not in Dame's best interest. Dame is responsible for all of his own actions and how he markets himself.
If you preach loyalty within a two party relationship and then that other party isn't loyal to you, then what? Because that's how I and anyone who takes Dame's side in it looks at it. Dame is entirely responsible? Do you feel like you have the full picture? Because if you don't, then how do you know who's entirely responsible for anything? Harden just got fined for saying Morey lied so it's not like Dame is about to do the same with the NBA already on his case. I think people would understand Dame's side of things more if we actually got to hear his side. Cronin knew this was coming. All his moves have lined up with the expectation of a Dame trade and went against what Dame wanted because Cronin wanted to go the youth route but I don't think the organization wanted to own it. So he was saying he and Dame has a good dialogue and he was committed to building around him right up until Dame blindsided him with his trade request... right.
When have I "cried"? I've criticized Cronin. Others have. Some others criticize Dame. Fuck are you on about.
Have deleted the back and forth personal barbs from Julius and Bones (and one from RR7 that had a quote of it). Keep it civil. I don't want to hear how one is a mod and one isn't. Blah blah, they both got posts deleted. If I missed any, let me know.
Joe owes the same loyalty to Dame as he does every player on the roster; To be loyal to them as long as it is congruent with the wishes of the owner. I am sure that means doing what is best for the Portland Trailblazers. Throwing away prime draft picks that can produce promising young players for older vets who do not even want to be in Portland and are being traded at a premium is not in the best interest of Blazers Inc. That is where Joe's loyalty to Dame ends. Dame can not expect Joe to be loyal to Dame when it is harmful to the team. That is silly. Sure, Joe said he would try to build around Dame. He never said he would agree to be extorted. It seems everyone wanted to extort a kings ransom or some players would not agree to extend to stay in Portland. Joe had to pass. He then told Dame he was unable to get the vets Dame wants. I am sure he has told Dame that he is unable to get fair value for Dame himself given the position he has put the team in with his Miami or bust stance. It will work out eventually. I put no stock in someone claiming to have inside info if they do not disclose who said it and what it is. That was said in confidence and should stay there. Many here try to pass off their own theories as the truth. Doesn't work that way. And I do not believe Joe ever said Dame blindsided him. Although Miami or bust was certainly a punch in the face, but that is my opinion.
Ah, that’s fair enough. I still disagree on the point that you encourage this behavior of not honoring contracts by rewarding said behavior. It’s not hard to extrapolate what I’ve said and many others have had similar reasoning. You can’t point to “evidence” when prognosticating about current trends impacting future behaviors. That is an impossible and shortsighted standard. Also, all things being equal trade value you don’t trade to Miami. Unless Miami’s offer is considerably better I wouldn’t consider them as an option. If Miami does produce the best offer by say next summer’s trade window I would think ling and hard about it before pulling the trigger. I absolutely would not take their offer before the trade deadline, or even next summer. We are in zero rush (first stages of rebuilding), and maximizing trade value and potential long term implications of the trade (Miami/Goodwin model becoming the norm which would disproportionately effect small/undesirable markets of course) are of paramount importance. I think you’re not seeing the big picture to dismiss out of hand that this becomes the norm in the league due to our actions. I think it’s fair to say this trade will be of bigger importance than any trade in recent memory, and has far greater potential consequences than any trade in ages.
Joe was pretty loyal in terms of trading Norman Powell, CJ McCollum, and Gray Payton II where they wanted to be. But it's not about the team-building direction as much as it is about the way Cronin went about it (which is up for interpretation). If Joe came out and said he wanted to go the youth route and took offers for Dame on draft night, I would've been mad but that would've been much more respectable to me than the way he's played it. He went the route that he knew (or should've known) would force Dame out but on June 26th was still saying he had a good dialogue with Dame and how he was committed to building around him. We're supposed to believe that was a true statement after an hours long meeting when Dame requested out less than a week later? Sly had a tidbit about how Cronin was telling Dame he was working on deals for him that were actually long-dead. There's a few other things that are more than just simply choosing a direction that I think affects the viewpoints on this situation. - Did Cronin tell Dame he'd trade the pick if it wasn't #1 to convince Dame to tank the rest of last season? - Did Cronin actually want to trade the 3rd pick to build a winner around Dame? He said he was obligated to build a winner around Dame and said that's what he wanted. - Did Cronin tell Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go if it ever came to this? - Did Dame ask out privately on June 26th when he and Cronin had that long conversation? If so, did Cronin's statement afterwards force Dame to ask out publicly instead? Some people think all these things are true including me. That's why I don't think Dame is breaking any sort of loyalty, because the way this situation was handled by the org was very bad. Some people think they're all false and that Cronin's done nothing wrong and that Dame is screwing him.
You forgot: - Since Goodwin hasn’t sued Abbot for defamation or disagreed with his report, does that mean Dame cynically pushed for the extra year only the Blazers could give without a heads up of asking for a no-trade and thereby perhaps limit his money? - Did he plan this for two years shaving years off his trade value and get an albatross on the back end contract? - Did Dame cynically wait until minutes after his one year trade moratorium after signing said Albatross contract? - Does Dame tacitly support the almost universally condemned poisoning of the well behavior by Goodwin to force a trade to Miami despite four years on his contract? - Can we glean that yes he does by virtue of him not saying anything against it and keeping Goodwin in his employ? Unlike the Cronin speculation that he turned down difference maker trades (I’ve seen nothing but a bend you over the barrel, highway robbery, by Toronto for OG report) which seems purely speculative. I believe we can logically infer that most, if not all, of what I said is true based on the fact Goodwin has neither denied, nor sued over the Abbott report unless that news broke very recently I haven’t seen it. Ergo, since that would damage Goodwin’s reputation, and Goodwin hasn’t sued, it is true. Also, OG does not make us a contender and the rumored price was far too high.
I do not believe Cronin said anything beyond he would do his best. When his best, whatever that was, did not produce results, he drafted players. His only other option. Cronin is in no position to make a promise. Dame knows that Joe answers to Jody. It just seems like an exercise in futility to see it any other way.
It's simple at this point, Dame doesn't want to be here so when a respectable offer is made for him, I'm sure Joe will trade him. Joe as I"ve said a few times, isn't getting fired over Goodwin's hustle playbook or Riley's low ball offer
I wonder if Bones meant Joe's a corporate yes man that rubs well, regardless. I get what he's saying about a Mr. nice persona /diplomacy too. Dame has always walked his talk, through-out his career and has never thrown anyone under the bus. Something really pissed Dame off about the direction/plan.
What report are you talking about specifically? - If that was true, why didn't Dame demand a trade at last year's trade deadline when the organization actively got worse despite being 2.5 games out of 4th place? - The timing of demanding a trade didn't matter because trades get agreed upon despite needing to wait until a specific date to become "official" - Cronin chose the route that was best for the team in a lot of people's eyes. Dame's trying to choose the best path for him, and he wants to play in Miami. If Dame felt the well was already poisoned because of the things I listed as possibilities? If Cronin told Dame he'd trade him where he wants to go but proved he wasn't trustworthy, should Dame really be condemned for this? That's the thing, there's a lot of layers to this. What I've heard will sway my opinion but won't sway yours. That's why we disagree. An agent not suing a reporter (has that ever happened?) who's been notoriously wrong in the past over a false report as a way to confirm truth doesn't make sense to me.
Cronin has admitted to having long dialogues with Dame. Jody just wanted them to stay out of the tax. That was possible in a number of hypotheticals that made the team more competitive, so why is it an exercise in futility to think Cronin might've said more than "I'll do my best" when he publicly stated more than that and didn't have his hands completely tied?
