Toronto Raptors Dame trade ideas and rumors

Dame did not want to play with Ayton. Portland had a chance for Ayton previously. Dame preferred Nurk.

 

Not good. And for the longest time, Dame preferred CJ. Not GM material.

 

Ayton, fine.

How many picks is OG worth that we are getting none in return?

Where is Boucher in our future?

Why is Ayton, OG, and Boucher a better deal than Ayton, Lowry, Jovic, and 3 1sts?

 

I don’t think you got the point of my post. When I say shafted, I mean the fact that Toronto would have to give up less than Miami’s best package to get him.

Ayton is an interesting piece but doesn’t make us a playoff team this year. I’m fine with that.

Boucher, he is not a rebuilding player.

OG might push us into the playoffs, then he’ll get overpaid by us. But why???? We should be prioritizing picks! Not a chance to overpay OG. For what? It would be different if Scoot took a barren roster to the playoffs, that would actually show us something. By getting Ayton AND OG, we are trying to activity give Scoot a playoff roster from the jump.

You were spouting out reasons I didn’t disagree with, because I never said we needed to trade everyone to compete without Dame. I’m only speaking about the package proposed, which is significantly worse than what Miami’s best offer could be. But we’ll agree to disagree if you really think OG, Ayton, and Boucher are a good enough package going back. Toronto expecting to up a guy they don’t want to pay, a guy who they’ve tried to trade for multiple summers, a guy who has nothing to do with either team’s timeline, and no picks for Dame? Alright.

 

Is there ‘any’ indication that 3 picks is on offer in a Miami scenario? Any?

 

GT is the same player he’s been since year 3. What do you expect to get for him?

 

You’ve cut my entire argument into a singular point to ask a question unrelated to my original point. Again…regardless of how many picks were offered from Miami…why would Toronto be giving up so little?

If the main piece is OG, Dick and 1-2 unprotected 1sts need to come back our way, forget about GT. There are ways to get Ayton without routing GT to the Suns, that’s not even their most preferred player to get back with Nurk. OG can be rerouted for a young player and 2 1sts to bring our total up to 3-4 1sts, but apparently trying to win when your supposed future stars are in year 1 and 2 are more important.

 

Ayton and OG are both still young. They’re bonafide starters. Jovic looks like a bench player….. maybe. He might be a total bust. At best he’s Ryan Andersen. Lowry is an expiring. Three firsts? From Miami? Could be totally weak value. OG is a dude that can start right now and still fits our window. I would also expect that Toronto tosses in some picks because OG/Boucher/GTJ isn’t enough.

 

I’m doing that because I’ve seen this device all over the place—using an unlikely near-max Miami offer as a stalking horse against an alternate option.

Let’s say you don’t even like OG. You could probably flip him and get more back in picks at the deadline from a Memphis type team than what Miami is actually offering.

 

You would’ve thought that this poverty-stricken franchise saw the mistake of never being bad enough to get Dame top shelf talent and would learn from that. Then we overpay for them later.

You know what would’ve been better than trading for OG in 2023 and paying him $40m/yr in 2024? Drafting OG when you had two f’ing 1sts you could’ve drafted him with that year. You can find Trey Murphys and Herb Joneses in the draft.

 

Toronto would need to include either GTJr or Dick (+ Young) at minimum to match salaries.

GTJr or Dick is worth at least 1 pick.

OG = Lowry + Jovic + 2 picks

Do its really a matter of preference. I would much rather have OG + Dick than anything Miami has to offer

 

That, I’ve already said. I wouldn’t mind that depending on what you get for OG.

But to trade for OG and KEEP kim shows a lack of foresight within the front office. We are hanging our future on a first and second year player, if OG is worth 75% of what Ujiri thinks he’s worth, it’s probably going to be a decent return.

 

I keep coming back to this cuz it appears important.

We heard from a fairly credible source that the deal is imminent. Multiple reports of the team being Toronto and not Miami.

Then we see the Amick report claiming Dame is gonna be upset if it's Toronto.

Is it possible that Masai got spooked after agreeing to the deal if Dame is gonna raise a stink?

This is exactly why I think the true hurdle is Dame being convinced that Toronto is the right destination for him.

 

How much would the Pacers value OG?

 

We have our potential stars in Scoot and Shaedon. The draft this year looks mediocre at best.

 

Because Miami isn't offering that, and also if you reward Dame you then cut your own throat vis-a-vis long term prospects. Say goodbye to Scoot and Sharpe in 4 years time and any other player that can win you a chip. They will just use the Lillard Method (TM) and the entire league is ruined. Why on god's green Earth would you trade Dame to Miami unless you were getting the Ultra-Giga-Mega package from them 3 swaps, 4 picks (with unlock, plus Herro to a 3rd team) plus Jovic and Jaquez which even then isn't that great AND you destroy the League by doing so.

 

Not sure if this trade has been suggested. Obviously its the amazing version. I would definitely settle for OG, Grady Dick and picks instead. Anywhere but Miami should be the refrain, because you destroy our future for a very minor upgrade in terms of package, which is debatable anyways.

Our starting lineup actually looks like a Playoff team if Scoot is as good as advertised and Sharpe makes a leap (pun intended):

PG: Scoot
SG: Sharpe
SF: Barnes
PF: Grant
C: Ayton

Then you have a decent rotation of Simons and GTJ off the bench at the guard spots, and our project forwards plus Boucher's vet leadership. Not bad at all.

 

Most people are saying that Barnes is on Masai's list of untouchables.

 

I think this trade is better than the Miami trade, straight up, and it prevents the Lillard Method (TM) Armageddon scenario I keep mentioning. I actually think if Toronto wants to win now, it would make more sense to trade Barnes plus filler for Lillard and then they get to keep their picks, but hey OG isn't awful and is better than Jaquez Jovic and Herro combined not to mention, and this is key, Fuck Miami and may the Lillard Method (TM) be destroyed in-utero that it never plague this League.

 

Stop mentioning Barnes. He’s not getting traded