How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

It's funny that you bring that up, but driving with the flow of traffic is a real thing.

The Mavs got penalized for basically blatantly and openly tanking.... like.... not pretending there were injuries.

 

Exactly. The fact that Dame wanted to rescind tells me he was just listening to bad advice from a shitty agent.

 

Highkin thinks that the report that Goodwin spoke with Milwaukee and Brooklyn is bullshit. He thinks it's Goodwin trying to save face. I think Dame's reaction backs that up. Everything I have heard is that Dame was shocked. I don't think he would be shocked if he had said he'd be okay with Milwaukee.

Wes Goldberg is a moron. He just said that the Blazers got nothing for Damian Lillard.

 

I personally despise the idea of tanking. Frankly, I hate the fucking word. People seem to use the word as this all enveloping thing.

Playing the season with everything you have, and then when you see that a run is not possible.......substituting players for load management, offseason trade protection, and/or to aid in back up player/rookie development, is smart team management. Not using the full capacity of the salary structure, and dumping players to increase profits, is tanking. I find the use of the word offensive when it is used as a bullet point for any team that does not handle their business the way a fan wants them to.

 

This goes right with my original point of how tribalism allows people to shift ownership of an issue away from the guilty party they care about the most!

The new age parenting default: "It's not my kids fault!"

 

Man, a lot of these Miami guys can only see things through the lense of their team. No objectivity.

 

They're so mad and they don't understand why people aren't sold on Jovic.

 

Not a fan.

 

If Cronin can trade Jrue to Brooklyn for Simmons plus their 2027 (PHX) and 2028 (OWN) #1 picks,
I’m pleased with Cronin;

OUT
Nurkic (happy to see him go)
Little (always injured)
Johnson (won’t be in the league come 25-26 season
Dame (follow the yellow brick road!)

Also OUT by Sunday night
Jrue Holiday


IN as of Monday
Simmons
Ayton
Camara
#1 pick (Bucks)
#1 pick (PHX from Nets)
#1 pick (Nets)
#1 pick swap (Bucks)
#1 pick swap (Bucks)

It’s a haul and a rebuilding team with significant talent

 

I’m not sure how much value Simmons has. I’d like to see if they’d toss in Clowney.

 

When Goodwin and apparently Dame let it out to teams that Dame wouldn't go there they basically told teams not to talk to Joe about trading him. The league warned them. If I'm Joe I don't do anything to help Goodwin's standing amongst the league's execs and I don't honor his requests as he has just fucked up all my options. Joe won this sparring match and I don't blame him for it. Dame needs to fire Goodwin and I'll feel less bitter about what transpired. You warn teams not to call us and think we have to call Miami? Watch me make a deal in a week with the Bucks and Suns and come out of it with an Allstar and a former number 1 pick young center..you can keep Tyler T Rex Herro.

 

A kid at my high school here in AZ asked me what I thought of the Lillard trade. I said that all 3 teams are happy with what they got according to their priorities … that that makes a good trade — non-zero sum game theory. I can see each team’s logic for the deal. I said the Miami trade just didn’t make sense for Portland, and it never grew into anything that did make sense.

Holiday > > > Herro. And it’s just not close. For a win now team, age 33 of Holiday is far down the list of what matters. He’s a stud defender and unselfish on O. And cheaper. Even before seeing what Cronin gets for Holiday, it’s not a tough call vs. anything Miami could have offered but didn’t.

 

The timeline starts before he asks out to Miami. Try to keep up. I've always said its about the way it happened. Goodwin made mistakes in the way he handled it. That has nothing to do with how Cronin handled things leading up to it. The relationship between he and Dame is sour. To put none of that on Joe is ridiculous.

 

Herro could've fetched a 1st. So for Holiday to not be close to him in terms of trade value, he better fetch much more than that.

 

You say. Reports are Cronin was scouring the league looking for that first for Herro and a decent return player(s). Obviously he was not impressed. I doubt Herro is worth a first and probably would not bring a good player or contract in return to Portlands liking. I am confident Jrue will provide a nice return. I won't be hyperbolic though. I will wait for the trade and judge it and the entire Dame deal when completed.

 

I'd be very surprised if Herro couldn't fetch a 1st.

Regardless, Clippers 2028/2030 unprotected 1sts with expirings is my tipping point. Anything less is a failure. Anything more is a win.

 

Try to keep up? FOH

 

Nobody anywhere I have read is "Not putting any of it on Joe". The one thing everyone seems to forget is Lillard went on record before the draft and said he would not be open to playing if they kept that pick. Lillard said it out loud for all to hear. Including Joe.