<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Apr 22 2006, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mangini comes from the Belichick school of coaching..</div>Actually he said that he's more like his former mentor Parcells than he is like Belichick, but that in reality he's not like either of them.And "situation" players in the 3-4 are VERY easily found on the 2nd day. IE Charles Grant, Mike Kudla, Garrett McIntyre, etc etc.
[quote name='Losman2Evans' post='42525' date='Apr 22 2006, 06:51 PM']Round 1: Justice is a good pick.Round 2: I don't think taking a CB that high is necessary. Especially with Daniel Bullocks on the board who would fill the need for a starting SS.Round 3: I love the Jonathan Lewis pick. As for O'Callaghan, I'm not a big fan, I think we'd take Jonathan Scott over him because of Scotts ability to play LT which O'Callaghan dosen't have. Grabbing Kevin Boothe for LG and keeping Gandy at LT is a possiblity too.[/quote]Jennings is a better player than Bullocks, and both are positions of need..Plus, I hear Matt Bowen is most likely going to be the starter at SS..Justice can play either tackle position, so the reason I have O'Callaghan over Scott is not because of the positions they play but because I see O'Callaghan as the better player and selecting Justice gives Buffalo the flexibility to go with either a LT or RT..O'Callaghan can also move inside if needed, so he brings even more flexibility and on an O-Line with needs all over flexibility is needed so that players can be moved and shifted to give the team the best starting line possible. Neither are first day scenarios..You dont pick a first round player to start and "groom" another player (Rhodes)..You bring in a veteran for a season or two. Drafting a first day rookie to start while Rhodes develops isn't going to help anything, because you dont just toss aside that rookie in a season or two once Rhodes is ready, unless the guy is a total bust...It just doesnt fit the philosophy coaches have while drafting.And you've always got to put pure needs over depth, the Jets now running the 3-4 defense need players who fit into it, and with players falling into their laps like Lawson and LaCasse they really shouldn't pass..O-Line depth can come a bit later.[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='42531' date='Apr 22 2006, 06:59 PM']Actually he said that he's more like his former mentor Parcells than he is like Belichick, but that in reality he's not like either of them.[/quote]I really wouldn't put much stock into that..I don't think hes going to come out and say "Oh yeah, I'm a Belichick clone". Not to mention, Belichick and Parcells are similar type of coaches. Its true, but the Jets really dont have many needs..OT...Check. RB...Check.3-4 OLB...Check.QB...Check.With whats on the board when they pick at 71..I just don't see any better options, the only one possibly being Chris Gocong who is basically the same player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Apr 22 2006, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its true, but the Jets really dont have many needs..OT...Check. RB...Check.3-4 OLB...Check.QB...Check.With whats on the board when they pick at 71..I just don't see any better options, the only one possibly being Chris Gocong who is basically the same player.</div>How about O-line Depth as a need so we draft Eslinger to start in a year or two when Trey Teague is gone.
[quote name='GaMeTiMe' post='42540' date='Apr 22 2006, 08:13 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='42531' date='Apr 22 2006, 06:59 PM']Actually he said that he's more like his former mentor Parcells than he is like Belichick, but that in reality he's not like either of them.[/quote]I really wouldn't put much stock into that..I don't think hes going to come out and say "Oh yeah, I'm a Belichick clone". Not to mention, Belichick and Parcells are similar type of coaches.[/quote]Similar, but Parcells is much more grounded, and doesn't rotate or "mix it up" near as much. Parcells is more old school, does a lot less "creative" play calling.Belichick learned from Parcells, Mangini learned from Parcells and Belichick. No two coaches are alike, they all incorperate their own style. OT, need 2 of them at least in the draft. We have 0 solid starters right now, and we will draft 2 day one OT's, because we need 2 day one OT's. Kiper, Wright, Mayock, they all say we do, and I agree with them.RB, could use youth, could wait on youth until next year. A possibility if our other needs our met.QB, considering that we've spent 17% of our allotted interviews on QB's, we'll take one. But one QB we DIDN'T bring in was Croyle, I seriously doubt we'd draft him.3-4 OLB. We need 1, but Lawson gives us what we need and fills our roster. Other needs more pressing than Ryan LaCasse: NT, RB, WR, TE, 2nd OT, C, and maybe a CB.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 22 2006, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Other needs more pressing than Ryan LaCasse: NT, RB, WR, TE, 2nd OT, C, and maybe a CB.</div>I already have them taking a RB..and why don't you consider Adrian Jones a starter? Or is the second OT just for depth? I dont see a center worth taking there..Whoever said Eslinger, he'll be there later. WR isn't a pressing first day need, and there arent any TEs on the board worth taking there..Nose tackle is a position they dont necessarily need either, Pouha was drafted in the third last year and I doubt theyre just giving up on him..Unless someone can tell me otherwise? Also, can someone tell me whats going on with Kimo? Because like I said, I heard they may use him at nose tackle as well?I'm not completely disagreeing with you here when you say you don't need another 3-4 player, so I hope you dont think I'm being stubborn..But I would like to hear more about the following..- Why they need a second OT, whether its for depth or if Jones just isnt a starter.- Kimo and his role, and if Pouha is going to get significant playing time.Thanks guys..I appreciate all the feedback so far especially since I'm new here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Apr 22 2006, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>San Francisco 49ers:</u>6) Vernon Davis | Tight End | Maryland22) Chad Greenway | Outside Linebacker | Iowa84) Brandon Marshall | Wide Receiver | Central Florida</div>Still lovin your 49ers draft, you think theres a chance Wimbley can fall to #22? He's a better fit for their 3-4 and like you said, cant have enough situational pass rushers
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Apr 22 2006, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Apr 22 2006, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>San Francisco 49ers:</u>6) Vernon Davis | Tight End | Maryland22) Chad Greenway | Outside Linebacker | Iowa84) Brandon Marshall | Wide Receiver | Central Florida</div>Still lovin your 49ers draft, you think theres a chance Wimbley can fall to #22? He's a better fit for their 3-4 and like you said, cant have enough situational pass rushers </div>Not likely..If he passes Denver he'd still have to pass Dallas, San Diego, KC, and New England..All should be somewhat interested.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Apr 22 2006, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>- Why they need a second OT, whether its for depth or if Jones just isnt a starter.- Kimo and his role, and if Pouha is going to get significant playing time.Thanks guys..I appreciate all the feedback so far especially since I'm new here.</div>2nd OT because Jones looked Mediocre at best last year and isn't showing enough improvement to be entrusted with the starting tackle spot. IF he's going to be a quality starter he's still 2 or 3 years off. And that's an IF not a definite. We need someone to at the very least challenge him for the starting tackle role. Thus far Adrian Jones is a 1 trick pony who isn't even great at his trick. He lacks lateral mobility and awareness. Jones can only block strength bull rushers, and has no ability to block any type of Speed rusher. And his run blocking is horrid. Jones gets very overrated because he "stepped up" when we basically had no other options. Jones is the reason we saw Bollinger running to his right every other play, because somehow Jones had lost his handle on the LB/DE that he was supposed to be blocking.Pouha is unproven (and 28 before the end of the season), Kimo is 35 (36 before the end of the season). An inexperienced injury-plagued 28 year old, and a 36 year old Defensive End is who you want to entrust the Nose Tackle position to?And Dewayne Robertson doesn't fit the Nose in any way shape or form either.
Well if Pouha's problem is inexperience, what makes a rookie any better of an option?And just out of curiousity, obviously I knew Robertson isnt a nose..What exactly are they gonna do with him, put him at DE?I'll be looking into the Jets' picks and it could possibly change in an hour or two.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Apr 22 2006, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well if Pouha's problem is inexperience, what makes a rookie any better of an option?</div>Pouha has been hampered by injuries, whereas the NT we draft presumably won't.Plus, an inexperienced 22/23 year old is a LOT better risk than an inexperienced 27/28 year old. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And just out of curiousity, obviously I knew Robertson isnt a nose..What exactly are they gonna do with him, put him at DE?</div>Well, according to Mangini we are going to change defenses week-to-week depending on which team we're playing and which defense he and his staff think will work best against them. So the weeks we are primarily 4-3, he'll be a starter. The weeks we are primarily 3-4... well I don't know. There were trade rumors last month, but those died away.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Apr 22 2006, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well if Pouha's problem is inexperience, what makes a rookie any better of an option?And just out of curiousity, obviously I knew Robertson isnt a nose..What exactly are they gonna do with him, put him at DE?I'll be looking into the Jets' picks and it could possibly change in an hour or two.</div>Just ignore him, hes a Jones hater. Jones will be fine starting for us.I think it sounds like were going to try to convert Robertson into a true Nose Tackle. He has the size for it, but it wouldnt be the best use of his pass-rushing abilities. Pouha is like 28 already and did little to prove that hes anything other then an older rookie. I dont think the new regime has any confidence in Pouha. Kimo von Oelhoffen will play some DEFENSIVE TACKLE in our 4-3 plays, but he is not going to be a NOSE TACKLE. Nose Tackle would be a nice position to address in should the right prospect be there because it is a concern as of right now.
"New England Patriots:21) Bobby Carpenter | Outside Linebacker | Ohio St.52) Maurice Stovall | Wide Receiver | Notre Dame75) Alan Zemaitis | Cornerback | Penn St.86) Kai Parham | Inside Linebacker | Virginia"21. - Great pick, I wouldn't mind if we got Carpenter at all.52. - Another great pick, Stovall already fits our system.75. - Don't like this pick, we really don't need a CB in this draft, we have a lot of depth, with Chad Scott, Asante Samuel, Eric Warfield, Randall Gay, Ellis Hobbs, and Hank Poteat.86. - I like Parham, nice pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HandZ21 @ Apr 23 2006, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>75. - Don't like this pick, we really don't need a CB in this draft, we have a lot of depth, with Chad Scott, Asante Samuel, Eric Warfield, Randall Gay, Ellis Hobbs, and Hank Poteat.86. - I like Parham, nice pick.</div>And for that reason I never had them picking a corner, and said the same thing to all those who told me they needed one...I seriously have no idea why I put Zemaitis there.Updated: Pats and Vikings changed
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HandZ21 @ Apr 23 2006, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"New England Patriots:21) Bobby Carpenter | Outside Linebacker | Ohio St.52) Maurice Stovall | Wide Receiver | Notre Dame75) Alan Zemaitis | Cornerback | Penn St.86) Kai Parham | Inside Linebacker | Virginia"21. - Great pick, I wouldn't mind if we got Carpenter at all.52. - Another great pick, Stovall already fits our system.75. - Don't like this pick, we really don't need a CB in this draft, we have a lot of depth, with Chad Scott, Asante Samuel, Eric Warfield, Randall Gay, Ellis Hobbs, and Hank Poteat.86. - I like Parham, nice pick.</div>I could see Maurice Stovall definitely going to New England. Brought up through Weis at Notre Dame, looks like he would already fit the Patriots system as HandZ21 already said.
I'd like to point out that in Scouts Inc's mock (a professional scouting company's mock that is):Ryan LaCasse went in the middle of the 7th round.The Jets drafted a 2nd OT on the 1st day of the draft.http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/ins...todd&id=2412607
I've never been a fan of Scouts Inc. :glare:..LaCasse in the seventh is ridiculous.About to put up what may be the final version though, so keep an eye out.
