How's everyone feel about Smokin' Joe Cronin now?

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Jrue is a multiple all NBA allstar and first team defender. How you compare Tyler Herro to that as comparable baffles me. Jrue and Dame are 33 ..Jimmy Butler 33...I don't remember Miami offering an allstar for Dame and I don't remember them getting their third pick back from OKC let alone 4 picks. The last news Miami tweeted out was Herro and 2 firsts with filler. A shit offer for a top 75 player all time and even Riley knew that. After FIBA Miami wasn't so sure about including some young guys either..they could've offered Bam and their picks which is what we needed to upgrade our roster. The idea that their original offer was good is just a real stretch to me.

 

In reality, it does look like the best deal just felt like a lot of people set the bar higher than this.

Diversifying unprotected picks far off in the distance is good. Taking a chance on 1 of 2 teams falling apart to have a top 5 pick is better than only one.

Now if he flipped Brogdon and Williams for two 1sts, then I'd be really happy.

 

Same.

 

Huh? I'm not comparing Herro to Jrue. Jrue is obviously better. Miami's best deal would've included 2 more 1sts. But that's a conversation based on what they could've offered, not what they did.

In reality, getting something comparable to their best offer makes whether or not they offered it irrelevant and justifies waiting for months. Joe did well for himself.

 

Example..Milwaukee parted with one of their big 3 to get Dame...Miami didn't..which is why I don't think their offer was competitive. Miami's best offer would've been Bam

 

Miami's best *possible* offer because they were never trading Bam.

Getting Jrue only matters in terms of what he turned into. The deals are pretty comparable. You can compare the pick haul and player haul.

For example, I think these three 1sts are comparable in value to Four 1sts in Miami's best trade.

I think Williams has a much value as Jovic & Jaquez (but no clear opportunity for growth in role beyond being a backup C)

So it comes down to what they get for Brogdon.

 

Smokin' Joe just signed Skylar Mays to a two way deal!!!!!!! Welcome back Skylar! I like this kid's game! Point guard depth.

 

But you're not, for some odd reason you and Eric are inexplicably excluding Ayton from the deal which we literally received in the trade. Just as you don't like fans moving goalposts, why are you doing the same when analyzing the trade as if Ayton wasn't a part of what we got back? It's weird.

Also, you're disregarding and not mentioning the pick swaps which very well may be the biggest part of the deal when it's all said and done.

 

The day before the trade Jrue pledged to be a Buck for life too...they traded him Any trade with Dame should include an all star in return...Miami choked on taking the risk.

 

Pick swaps are great. Miami could've offered them too.

This is why:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...-trade-how-bucks-blazers-suns-got-finish-line

 

Of course they could have but that's irrelevant in your hypothetical exercise. You're making fun of Cronin homers for saying the Miami deal (that never was) was trash but love the deal we got as if they are equal.

Why shouldn't they like the deal we got more than the hypothetical one that Miami never offered?

I'm still failing to understand.

How is Jaquez & Jovic and 3 1sts equal or better than Ayton, Camara, Rob Williams, 3 1sts, 2 pick swaps and Brogdon?

Those deals seem pretty significantly different to me.

 

Exactly.

 

All I read from the Miami mouth pieces, fans and national talkers was that Riley was not going to bid against himself and that he should not as Miami was the only destination on Dames list. There were no other offers so Joe should be happy with whatever trash he was given. But it did not work out that way. There was never an offer close to Milwaukee's. No proof of two picks, let alone three where they would have to open one up via OKC. No proof of swaps. No proof anybody wanted Herro and would give up a first. No young talent as they have none. It's all zip, zero, zilch and nada. Miami wanted Dame for $0.25 cents on the dollar, if that. Riley was probably trying to put protection on any picks available. This is all so laughable. Tell me, what is actually what Miami offered, and the source of that?

 

Yeah, if you lump the separately negotiated Ayton deal onto it, it looks great.

 

Idk what happened with Miami. What actually happened doesn't matter because Portland got a slightly better deal than Miami could even offer.

 

With how Cronin has done in the last few days, I wouldn’t be surprised if they announce a trade:
Blazers aquire Dame Lillard for Brogdon and a first round draft pick (from Mil).