<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jets working to get CutlerWednesday, April 26, 2006BY DAVE HUTCHINSONStar-Ledger StaffThe Jets' interest in Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler remains high, so much so that they're in discussions with the Baltimore Ravens to try to obtain him with the 13th pick overall, according to a person who has been in contact with several NFL teams and has first-hand knowledge of strategy in the top portion of the NFL Draft.The person, who requested anonymity because several deals are still pending, spelled out the following scenario for the trade to happen:# The Ravens want Oregon nose tackle Haloti Ngata at 13. If he's available, they will take him and any deal with the Jets is off. Baltimore fears Ngata won't get past the Bills at No. 8, and they have no interest in drafting another player that high.# If Ngata is gone at 13, the Ravens would trade the pick to the Jets for the second of the Jets' two first-round picks (29th overall) and their second-round pick (35th overall). The Jets would then select Cutler, if he's available. Of course, if Cutler is not available there would be no deal.The Jets got the 29th overall selection from Atlanta via Denver in the John Abraham trade last month.Such a scenario would give the Jets two picks in the top 13 because the club is still expected to select Virginia offense tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson or N.C. State defensive end Mario Williams with their fourth pick overall. One of the two will almost certainly be available.Though QBs Matt Leinart and Vince Young could conceivably be on the board when the Jets go on the clock at No. 4, they'll likely pass on both. There are media reports that the Jets are considering swapping picks with the Raiders (No. 7), who are said to want Young, but Ferguson and Williams would surely be gone at No. 7 and the Jets would miss out on both.The Jets like Cutler the most among the top quarterbacks but realize they have more immediate needs at offensive tackle and defensive end, needs Ferguson or Williams can fill. Ferguson is considered a franchise left tackle who can be a cornerstone for the next decade. Williams could replace Abraham and has been compared to Patriots Pro Bowl DT/DE Richard Seymour, a player who can excel in a 3-4 defensive scheme.While the Jets are confident that Chad Pennington or Patrick Ramsey can be their starting quarterback this season, they see Cutler as a quarterback for the long term.Cutler, who caught the Jets' eye at the Senior Bowl, is a real talent. He has captured the fancy of owner Woody Johnson, who traveled to Nashville for a private workout and dinner with the quarterback last week during the team's cross-country quarterback tour."Woody Johnson is absolutely enamored with Cutler," said the person with knowledge of the trade talks between the Jets and Ravens. "He thinks Cutler is another Tom Brady"The Jets think Cutler, 6-3, 228 pounds, is the most complete package among the QBs available in the draft. He has the biggest arm by far and has done more with less. Despite playing with B-level talent, he completed 710 of 1,242 passes (57.1 percent) for 8,697 yards, 59 touchdowns and 36 interceptions. Although he was 11-35 in four years, the Commodores were competitive.Notes: The Jets haven't decided if Pennington will throw during their rookie/first-year players minicamp, which begins May 12. ... If the Jets don't get Cutler, they're eyeing Alabama QB Brodie Croyle and Oregon's Kellen Clemens in the second or third round. ... Though the Jets signed veteran OT Anthony Clement, he's a journeyman-type who isn't expected to start. Thus, the need for Ferguson.</div>http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/b...5030.xml&coll=1
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tha.New.Look.Giants. @ Apr 26 2006, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Things are starting to look better for the New Yawk Jets </div>Yes, trading a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th for Jay Cutler is definitely a smart move.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 26 2006, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tha.New.Look.Giants. @ Apr 26 2006, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Things are starting to look better for the New Yawk Jets </div>Yes, trading a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th for Jay Cutler is definitely a smart move. </div>Actually, it would be a late 1st rounder and an early Second Rounder.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 26 2006, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Apr 26 2006, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tha.New.Look.Giants. @ Apr 26 2006, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Things are starting to look better for the New Yawk Jets </div>Yes, trading a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th for Jay Cutler is definitely a smart move. </div>Actually, it would be a late 1st rounder and an early Second Rounder. </div>Not according to the trade value chart.And even if that is the deal and the Ravens are ok with it, it's still retarded.
This would be a huge deal for the Jets, but as others have stated, Cutler will be long gone by the 13th pick.
BTW Jon Vilma,35 - 550 + 29 - 640 = 1,19013 - 1,150If anything they would be the ones to owe us according to the draft value chart. But thats basically spare change in a 5th round pick - #13 (35.5) to even up the values, but id be happy with just #13.http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Apr 26 2006, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW Jon Vilma,35 - 550 + 29 - 640 = 1,19013 - 1,150If anything they would be the ones to owe us according to the draft value chart. But thats basically spare change in a 5th round pick - #13 (35.5) to even up the values, but id be happy with just #13.http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp</div>So I misread the chart, it's still a bad deal for us. Cutler isn't worth 2 top 35 players.
I would take that deal. This draft is deep so having two second round picks would be pretty good for us.
The only team I think that would consider taking Cutler is Arizona. ESPN believes he'll drop out of the top 10 though.
The only thing I'm worrying about with trading up is we usually get bad results.1996 - 2nd Round trade up, De Ron Jenkins - Ehh2000 - 1st Round trade up, Travis Taylor - Horrible pick2002 - 2nd Round trade up, Anthony Weaver - Not a complete bust, but I did expect more2003 - 1st Round trade up, Mr Boller - No explanation needed2004 - 3rd Round trade up, Devard Darling - Probably cut because he is bad
We're not trading up... we're trading down. At 13, I think you're kinda stuck. The prospect isn't good enough to build around but he won't put you catapault you into the playoffs either because they most likely need polish.The Ravens are close to the playoffs so I think trading down makes a helluva lot of sense.However, if you do trade up, than trading up for Huff I think that's a can't miss pick. With McAlister, Rolle, and Reed surrounding him, he'll AT LEAST be decent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Apr 26 2006, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We're not trading up... we're trading down. At 13, I think you're kinda stuck. The prospect isn't good enough to build around but he won't put you catapault you into the playoffs either because they most likely need polish.The Ravens are close to the playoffs so I think trading down makes a helluva lot of sense.However, if you do trade up, than trading up for Huff I think that's a can't miss pick. With McAlister, Rolle, and Reed surrounding him, he'll AT LEAST be decent.</div>Shit, my bad. Don't know what I was thinking. The 13th pick has produced some pretty good talent over the past 10 years though.<u>No. 13 Picks</u>2005: Jammal Brown, OT (Saints)2004: Lee Evans, WR (Bills)2003: Ty Warren, DE (Patriots)2002: Donte Stallworth, WR (Saints)2001: Marcus Stroud, DT (Jaguars)2000: John Abraham, DE (Jets)1999: Troy Edwards, WR (Steelers)1998: Takeo Spikes, OLB (Bengals)1997: Tony Gonzalez, TE (Chiefs)1996: Walt Harris, CB (Bears) The 44th pick also produced some nice talent.<u>No. 44 Picks</u>2005: J. J. Arrington, RB (Arizona)2004: Bob Sanders, FS (Colts)2003: Taylor Jacobs, WR (Redskins)2002: LeCharles Bentley, C (Saints)2001: Kris Jenkin, DT (Panthers)2000: Chad Clifton, OT (Packers)1999: Jim Kleinsasser, TE (Vikings)1998: Patrick Surtain, CB (Dolphins)1997: Sam Madison, CB (Dolphins)1996: Tory James, CB (Broncos)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Uptown @ Apr 26 2006, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only thing I'm worrying about with trading up is we usually get bad results.1996 - 2nd Round trade up, De Ron Jenkins - Ehh</div>Man, that guy is horrible. He would up w/us (Titans) at some point, left the NFL and was playing/getting burned for the Nashville Kats (Arena league) last year. Haven't heard anything about him this year. We just started calling him "Toast" Jenkins because he got burned so much.
Damn we might get a all-star at 44. But as for the 13, everyone before Stroud is not with the same team besides Gonzalez...
