Dame in Milwaukee thread

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  1. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So why blame Dame for that?

    He can both be the greatest trailblazer of all time and notice the front office let him down.
     
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  2. Natebishop3

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    The problem with titles like “greatest blazer of all time” is that they’re subjective. People prioritize different things when they consider value. I think he’s the best scorer in blazers history. I think he propped up some very very mediocre rosters. I think he did more with less and I don’t think Sheed or Drexler could have done as well with what Dame had. Not sure about Walton.
     
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    Clyde was very good. And he was a two-way player, although nothing great on defense. But he wasn't real efficient. If Dame would have had today's equivalent of Porter as a guard, Kersey as a SF, Buck as a PF, and Duckworth as a C with a bench equivalent of Ainge, Danny Young, Drazen, Cliff, and Wayne Cooper, Dame would have at least played in one finals, maybe more

    Sheed isn't on the same level

    Walton was spectacular when he was healthy, but he was very rarely healthy. Durability and longevity are part of the equation. And Walton left Portland as soon as he could...and sued Portland as well
     
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    I wouldn't even consider Sheed in the conversation.
     
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    Yeah - but Brandon Roy gave us those as well, and he's strangely glossed over.
     
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    How many years did he play more than 60 games,
    did he win a 3pt contest? How many all star games?
    How many all nba?
    How many game winning buckets did he have? How many times did he score over 40?..50?


    Yes he may be glossed over, but by no means is it strange…
     
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    @Rastapopoulos is never giving up his Neil Olshey Fan Club membership.
     
  9. Natebishop3

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    For a couple years. People act like Roy was here forever. He wasn’t. Dame was here for 11 seasons.
     
  10. Natebishop3

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    Roy had ONE very good year. One. I swear people have crazy rose colored glasses for that dude. He averaged over 20 points in 2 seasons. Dame has only averaged under 20 points one time…. His rookie year. They’re just not even remotely on the same level.
     
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    You never seem to shy away from talking those kinds of risks.
     
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    two things can be true at once
     
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    Roy was fucking great! True warrior and gave this franchise everything his body would allow. Huge respect.

    But don't forget, the teams Roy played on here were far superior to the teams Lillard played on.

    Look at that 09-10 team:

    Brandon Roy
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    Greg Oden
    Andre Miller
    Nicolas Batum
    Travis Outlaw
    Steve Blake
    Martell Webster
    Rudy Fernandez
    Joel Przybilla
    Jerryd Bayless
    Dante Cunningham
    Jeff Pendergraph
    Juwan Howard
    Ime Udoka
     
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    Well, Roy played defense and offense and he played in Sarge's very slow pace offense. I would also argue that people that knock Roy's teams lack of playoffs success gloss over the fact Roy mostly played on very young, inexperienced teams as a young, inexperienced player himself, we have seen how dame's teams went when the team was young and inexperienced, it was not a pretty sight.

    So, IMHO, Roy is still underrated.
     
  15. Natebishop3

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    I don’t think Roy played long enough to be rated. I don’t think he can be overrated or underrated. He had three years and then he was hurt. That is simply not enough time.
     
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    However by that logic Walton can't be rated either. I do get what you're saying and BRoy never won us a championship or playoff series and he definitely was never league MVP but many people would say that Walton is the greatest Blazer ever and he played less games for us than Roy did.
     
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    Roy was here effectively his entire career. It was forever for him - his knees aged in dog years
     
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    Bullshit. This is the same reasoning that discounts Walton, who WAS the Greatest Blazer Ever.
    Quality over quantity.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, Dame is almost certainly currently the starting PG on the greatest Blazer team, and I say that as someone whose fave Drexler-era Blazer was Terry Porter.
     
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    Fine. Then Roy was not as good as Dame.
     

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