Didn't Jeremi Grant shoot 40% from 3s last season? & Shaedon 36%? The Trailblazers are in remodeling mode and as such should have all chips on the table regardless of short term consequences. STOMP
Yes, he did. I think he's mainly a catch and shoot guy rather than being able to create too much. He's also listed as one of the trade bait guys in the poll. I don't have any problems with trading any or all of them for the right package, but I'm not in the "have to trade player X" mode that so many around here seem to be.
Agreed, but thats not what you stated that I responded to, that... "Simons and Brogdon are the only solid three point threats on the roster." Especially with a draw and kick creator like Scoot collapsing the D, solid catch and shoot 3 point shooters (I listed two more not one) are absolutely solid 3 point threats. Klay Thompson is almost solely a catch and shoot guy, he does almost nothing off the dribble. Reggie Miller, Ray Allen... from what you've written, it reads that some of the greatest 3 point shooters in league history are/were not 3 point threats. Part of the effectiveness of having guys like Grant and Shaedon on the perimeter is that it keeps the D spread out just because of the threat of their 3 ball opening the paint for others to drive. btw, I voted for Brogdon and Grant in this poll mostly because they're older and are unlikely to be part of the next Blazer championship(s). I would only be for trading them though (and others like Williams) if a solid return was coming back. I'd prefer Joe seek this return mainly in draft capitol and expiring contracts to better align the team's timeline. My expectation is that better timeline fitting FA's and traded for players will be added down the line when their young guards are coming into their own but still on rookie deals. STOMP
I don’t want a high school team you still need vets to show these young guys the ins and outs of playing in the NBA.
Assuming these trades are at the deadline after we've figured out what the group looks like, I'm most on board with moving Grant, then Williams, then Simons. Grant and Williams aren't really part of our future, but despite some people's protestations, Simons might be; I'd only trade Simons if he's a net negative to our team identity. And if we massively exceed expectations, and I mean to a level where they'd want to make a Hollywood movie about the season, we keep them all and let it ride.
Yeah, right after I posted that I realized I had forgotten Grant. I thought about editing my post, but was too lazy. I’d say Grant is the most likely guy to be traded because of his age and contract. Brogdan fills a need as backup PG and the team needs a veteran voice or two. I think Simons is the least likely to get traded. Age, offense and contract make him a solid choice as a keeper.
Honestly I'd be most happy about this, though I don't mind if Grant stays as long as he buys in and plays well. Teams can take many shapes and be successful.
Well I think you'd obviously want replacement players you could use or fit team needs better. Ant isn't a good shooting guard, and he can't be our PG. So deal him for somebody who fits better and a good first rounder. Obviously if you can trade him for a legit starting wing or PF you don't need a first rounder in return. Same deal with Grant. I don't think he'll help us play winning basketball, so move him.
Grant is one of the most overpaid players in the NBA. Cronin is dishing out $160 million to a forward who has no interest in rebounding. Get his ass out of here.
- Grant to Chicago for Lonzo/Patrick Williams/Our pick back. - Brogdon for Batum/Roco/2028 pick (try to negotiate minimal protections). - Thybulle for Holmes + 2025 lottery protected pick. We get a potential PFotF in Williams to plug in next to Toumani at SF and effectively 3 firsts. Lonzo and Holmes will be on for another year and we can use their contracts later on in future moves.
The problem with these types of threads is they start to become a wish list with little chance of happening. If Wiliams is any good why would Chicago do that deal? They would be crazy to. And I am not sure the picks do much. People are already complaining about Murray and even though I was not thrilled with that pick, there are not many others that we missed out on. Some will emerge but it is such a crap shoot. Sre they can be combined with trades but I am happy with Thybulle.
Brook and Casey did a podcast and they said Brogdon has basically been like a coach for this team. Maybe he doesn’t want to leave?
If he's not starting and he's not competing for wins, he'll want to leave. He only has one more season on this contract and it likely isn't his last big one if he can stay healthy and show his value. I could see him sticking around until the deadline but it's not like the guy is Kyle Lowry.
In my opinion the one of the three of Grant , Brogs and Williams will be OFF the team by deadline for sure and I put the percentage that 2 are gone by deadline at 70% and all three like 25% ( Grant staying if 2 of 3 are gone ) Grant -- I would like to see him gone over the other three but his contract is a hard one to swallow unless a team is like -- Grant is the perfect piece for our team to get us over the hump and not going to lie not sure if this is going to happen but who knows the NBA is funny that way. Brogs -- I like Brogs for this team as long as he wants to be here and I am guessing he will be all sunshine and roses until the end of Nov. when he can be traded with other players. I happen to like Brogs even though some think he is a ball hog ( WRONG !) but he is also a good mentor for Scoot to help him through the tough stretch he is going through and such. I am not against trading him but now that Ant is out I think he will remain a Blazers until Ant is back almost for certain unless some team just makes an offer Cronin cannot refuse. Williams -- I think it's 50/50 if he is traded but IF he is traded and if not a part of being packaged with Brogs again then he will be a Blazer until the deadline almost for sure. I have not seen enough of him so far to say IF i want him to stay or go but I also think it's about if he can be happy with only getting 15 to 20 minutes a night and maybe being sat every few games to make sure he is good. What I would like the team to get for these players Grant -- player with a big contract with 2 or less years remaining but can still play a little not just a shell of a player -- young player ( under 26 ) who needs a change ( Reddish type player ) and couple 2nd round picks --- this is the best you can hope for cause of Grants deal Brogs -- Similar to Grant on 1st part -- future 1st and maybe a solid young player but more upside then the player wanted in Grant deal Williams -- Late 1st rounder ( 24 plus ) plus a solid role player / aging vet with tread on tires ( 10 to 15 min per game type ) and either a young player with a touch of upside or sub in a 2nd round pick that will be in the Top 15 of the 2nd round I may not be a fan of Cronin but he has shown this summer he might not be a complete idiot when it comes to making trades but was that a fluke and he learned his lessons from the Clipps and Pels trades that made a lot of fans outside of the Dame thing dislike him.
I'm on board with trading Brogdon, because even though he's good, he doesn't fit with the timeline, and there isn't enough room long term for him, Simons, Scoot, and Sharpe. Also Grant, because he's a chucker who can't rebound. Simons, I used to want to trade him, but after seeing Scoot, I've greatly cooled on that. We have no idea if Scoot will end up being any good. Right now, he looks like Markelle Fultz. This team really needs to find a PF for the young core. (Camara might be the answer at SF)
It will be interesting to see what the team looks like when Simons comes back, but I think we should move Grant for sure. Get him off the team.
