Religion Mid East Religious War, Now with added USA Involvement!

Kind of makes sense to change it once you have more information. We sure live in interesting times. It is easy to provide immediate, on the minute descriptions and have people jump to conclusions.

Actually, from the very little we know given what you can from far away, they have not been carpet bombing, which is why the US sends guidance equipment so the bombing can be as targeted as it can be against an organization that uses civilians as shields.

Given the population density in Gaza, if there was carpet bombing there would be a much, much higher number of victims.

 

sorry, I was hyperbolic. Still not buying their version.

 

You are welcome to your opinion.

Without more information, it is hard for me to judge from a-far which one is telling the truth and which one is not. I will say however that when it comes to propaganda vs fact, I tend to believe the IDF a lot faster than the terrorist groups that murder civilians with no sign of remorse and have habitually used their own people as pawns on the battle field.

FWIW, and it is nothing more than an anecdotal point of interest, I was on a zoom call earlier (well, Microsoft Teams, but same thing) with a software developer in Israel who told us that they might have to stop in the middle as there were sirens going all over for rocket attacks on Tel Aviv.

 

Sorry, when you say murdering civilians with no sign of remorse, I'm not actually sure which side you were referring to.

 

Definitely a pot kettle situation.

 

But you're so ready to believe a terrorist organization's version? I see no benefit to the IDF bombing a hospital and killing 500 people. That would be a massive fuck-up because even their allies would turn against them. A failed missile launch by the Islamic Jihad makes much more sense, as does them trying to blame the IDF for it. Either way I hope the truth comes out. Horrible.

 

Their allies would turn against them? Who? The U.S.? There's over 2k dead in gaza currently. Definitely not all Hamas terrorists. You have their leadership talking about them like they're animals they clearly could give two shits about. U.S. is just gonna send money and ships and support them like we always do. Them targeting civilians hasn't stopped us from being their fiercest allies yet.

 

I suggest you google "Israel apologizes for civilian deaths" and follow that with finding out what Hamas did after the terror attack on the music festival. Once you do that, maybe you should probably consult a dictionary what remorse means.

Hope this helps.

 

Of course not all are terrorists, but is that because the terrorists use them as human shields or because someone is recklessly trying to hurt them? If you can not understand the difference, there is really not much more to be said here.

At the end of the day ask yourself, who is the one that gains from this fight?

Israel does not want the Gaza strip, they returned it as part of the Oslo accord. The people that broke the Oslo accord are not Israel and Israel has to protect itself against the thousands of rockets that are fired at it from that area. What is the solution other than trying to protect itself and do it as responsibly as possible while the opponent uses their own people as shields.

 

One side intentionally targets civilians and takes them hostage. One side beheads children. One side tells their citizens to stay because they like to use them as human shields. From what I've seen reported and recorded Israel has tried to tell the civilians to leave... I'm not saying they haven't killed civilians, but if we're talking about blowing up a hospital and 500 people I know what side I'm not believing.

 

IDF had a video of the barrage of missiles sent their way. Said it was likely what hit the hospital. They edited the tweet to take out the video, because the video came a half hour after the hospital was hit. Weird edit, IMO.

 

Obviously we need more information.

For Israel it would be not just atrocity but stupidity at a time when they have world's sympathy. For Hamad doesn't make sense. ISIS maybe.

In other words, horrible tragedy but just don't know.

 

Also the timing. Israel is going to do this on the eve of Biden coming over? Just doesn't pass the smell test.

 

I agree, but you have to remember that every large organization is going to have mistakes by some people in it. Could it be someone at a lower level making a mistake? Maybe. Is it likely that it was ordered at the highest levels? Not very likely.

Time will tell, but they have been pretty certain that it was not them that did it, so hopefully, they did a proper investigation in the short time they had to respond to it. (We have seen how quickly people are eager to point fingers based on hearsay from a questionable source).

My understanding from people that served in the IDF is that the rules are very clear about what they can and can not do, so based on what I have been told about that, I find it very hard to believe it. Add the fact that the Hamas, ISIS and the like are habitually spreading propaganda to further their goals without any issue hurting anyone in their way - and I would certainly not jump to conclusions.

 

Thanks matey...I got lost and my GPS failed me!

 

I have to ask, who had an interest in derailing any possibility of negotiations for hostage release? Cease fire?