Bust a Scoot?

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  1. SharpeScooterShooter

    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    Bad ass looks like you guys really enjoyed it! :)
     
  2. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Jeez, it sure took you long enough to find one...
     
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    you cut off my quote where I answer this question. I said... "the form on his J is abit off". I then went on to describe exactly how it is off.

    Are Fultz and DSJ super athletic PGs who shoot the 3 ball at about the same 30% clip that Scoot posted in the G league? Henderson's form isn't as bad as Amen's was when he was drafted, but it's definitely off of the ideal. Some guys are able to make a wonky form work for them, but most don't. I hope Scoot is open to working on what has been a weakness in his game thus far.

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    GrandpaBlaze Predictions Game Master

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    Yah but Keljin Blevins was supposed to be a PG.....
     
  5. KeepOnRollin

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    This thread will be bumped once a month, which will coincide with the one game a month that Scoot struggles.
     
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    No, DSJ and Fultz never had the shooting success Scoot has had. They're totally different types of prospects, I wouldn't compare them, not sure why you brought up their names.

    Scoot shot 43% on catch and shoot 3s in the G league. His jumper is more than fine. It's dangerous messing with guys form, there's a chance it never gets back to as good as it is now. Sure it's maybe worth the risk if it's a broken form or horrible %, but that's not the case with Scoot.

    I wouldn't mess with his catch and shoot form. Yeah his footwork, balance, motions on off the dribble threes isn't good and he could consider working on that but I wouldn't mess with the mechanics of his jump shot.
     
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  7. SharpeScooterShooter

    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    It seems you are confusing statistics. Last year in the G League, Scoot shot 27.5% from 3's which is below what DSJ and Fultz have averaged over their respective NBA careers. Of those 3's Henderson made last season, 43% were assisted while 57% were not.

    https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630703/

    Super athletic lotto pick PGs with poor form on their jumpers who have struggled with the deep ball is exactly why I bring up their names.

    He comes across his body with the ball rather then going up with it and releasing it on his dominant shooting hand side. Doing so makes a repeatable motion more difficult. Thus far in his young career, Scoot has struggled from deep. If he is ever going to "mess" with his form and adapt a classic stroke, now is the time.

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  9. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Derrick Rose shot 33% from 3pt in his MVP season. I name Rose because I see Scoot's upside as being similar to Rose.
     
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    Scoot and Rose do seem kind of similar

    but that 3pt% comp really seems to be missing some context. The average NBA 3ptFG% in 2010-11 (Rose MVP year) was .358. Last season it was .361. Now, that 2010-11 was a little bit of an outlier. The year before the average was .354; and the year after it was .349. Still, percentage-wise there's not a big difference in average 3ptFG% between the two years. However, Rose hitting 33% when the league average is .358 would be a lot better than Scoot hitting 28% when the league average was .361

    but the more important context, IMO, is the average number of 3ptFGA's. If you take a three year sample size with Rose's MVP year in the middle, the average number of three's attempted by teams was 18.1-18.2. The average number attempted over the last 3 seasons in 35.5. That's a gap of 17.3 attempts a game

    the average 3 year sample for Rose's MVP period for team 3PAr (3pt attempt rate-percentage of FGA's that were three's) was 22.3%. Over the last 3 years, the average team 3PAr has been 39.3%. So, it has increased from 22.3% to 39.3%. That's a 76% increase in 3PAr

    meaning that converting three's is a much more important today than it was 12 years ago. In Rose's time 17.5% of made FG's were three's (6.5 out of 37.2). Over the last couple of seasons, 30% of made FG's have been three's. So, Scoot simply matching Rose's 33% on three's won't be the same thing; and the impact would be more negative than it was for Rose

    obviously there are ways Scoot can compensate. He could get to the FT line at a high rate. But we know a rookie won't be getting the kinds of calls he will get 5 years from now. Dame's career FT rate is .342. But he didn't come close to that mark until his 5th season. Hopefully, by his 3rd season, Scoot can consistently get to the 35-36% on three's
     
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    1st half not encouraging...
     
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    Yeah I guess we can go back to this thread after his first half in his first nba game. He looked worse than even most pessimists will admit.
     
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    Scoot starting to show some flashes. Probably just nerves got to him in the first half. He will be fine.
     
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    He also also absolutely needs to be the undisputed point guard of the team. That’s where he thrives. Having him play offball is stupid af.
     
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    That Harburger analyst brought up D'Angelo Russell as rookie comparison to Scoot's ugly 1st half.
    .... I cringed, why bring D'Angelo into any good PG conversation ??? yuck
     
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    I think he was trying to be fair by including all the recent top 3 PG's under the age of 19 to start opening night. Which I appreciate, opposed to cherry-picking.
     
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    I'm not saying this is the case, but would you prefer to only have Scoot play PG even if it meant stunting the growth of other players on the roster?
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Such as?
     
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    Scoot should be PG and Sharpe should play a ton, mostly at 2. A lot. As long as they're working hard defensively. Everybody else can fit in around them, also as long as they are working hard defensively and not being stupid on offense.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I rank our players in terms of importance or development thusly:

    Scoot
    Sharpe

    Ayton

    Simons
    Williams
    Camara
    Walker
    Thybulle
    Murray
    Rupert

    I don’t care about Brogdon or Grant. I don’t think they’re going to be here long term.
     

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