Politics Ukraine / Russia

Hmm. Define support. Sitting on your couch agreeing with everything the military industrial complex says isn’t helping much no matter what side you’re on.

 

Lol. In any way that I can.

 

This is really an ignorant post. Minsk agreements were signed at the point of a gun. At the time of the first agreement, russia had 20.000 troops in Donbass. They had already driven the meager Ukraine troops ( pro- russian president Yanukovych had stopped funding the army and let it deteriorate to almost nothing) out of most of Donbass and threatened to keep going to Kyiv. Minsk II was just another stalling tactic by Ukraine to prevent russia from full invasion. If implemented it would not only have given independence to these Ukrainian territories, but would have given them substantial representation in the Ukrainian government so they could sabotage from within. Ukraine agreed to this so they could continue to build up their military to prevent a russian invasion. At every step they did what was necessary for the nation to survive.
Since the Minsk accords were signed before Zelensky ran for office, obviously he couldn't run on a platform that he would sign them. He spoke only russian himself and came from a pro-russian part of the country and thought he could talk with Putin and come up with a compromise. Soon he realized that Putin was not interested in compromise and really wanted to destroy Ukraine economically. (Building of Kerch bridge was one example, built so that large Ukrainian ships could not take grain and ore from their main port due to low height of bridge).
Still, Donbass was already de facto independent; Ukraine never tried to invade it and in fact were under orders to only return shell fire from Putin's proxies, who were trained and directed by russian troops. So why wasn't Putin satisfied with the status quo? Why did he order his proxies to keep shelling Ukraine every night for years?
Zelensky obviously is not a "puppet dictator"; why would anyone parrot the russian take on this? There is no dispute that he was elected in a fair and honest election by an overwhelming majority. I also want to remind that USA was not providing any substantial weapons to Ukraine before the russian invasion, only a few sniper rifles and rocket propelled grenades.
While I am at it, I would like to include a little history. The only reason there were any "pro-russian" areas in Ukraine is because in the 30's Stalin starved to death millions of Ukrainians and then moved millions of russians onto their lands and into their homes. He also forcibly deported many Ukrainians and of course all the Tatars from Crimea.
So let's remind again who started this war. And let's remind again that the prominent russian military contractor Prigozhin has admitted that the invasion was not because there were nazis in Ukraine, not because russia was worried about NATO, but was a simple resource grab by russian elite. And as we see, once russia took over territories they stole Ukrainian grain and metal products and exported them. They have even removed entire factories and taken to russia.

 

Almost all russian attacks are on civilian target; it's the russian wy.

 

I notice the media has gone silent on the Ukraine/Russian conflict. Russia is in firm control of the Donbas region, the Ukrainian resistance has crumbled.

I remember months ago I told you all Ukraine was going to lose, and many scoffed at that, because you were brainwashed by the media.

 

This is probably the most significant and telling chart I could post that tells how the war is going. Although the huge casualty reports for russians the last few days in their failed counter-offensive would also tell a story. It's amazing for me that the Ukrainians were able to survive and even drive the russians back in the first year of the war while being overwhelmed with a 15 to one artillery shell disadvantage. BTW, Biden's decision to ship cluster shells to Ukraine was probably the most crucial of the war. And that shipment did not put one penny into USA contractors' pocket or cost one cent to USA taxpayers. They were just sitting in storage and would never have been used, due to political backlash.

 

Ukraine, last night, attacked a russian air base in Ukrainian territory, disabling 9 helicopters, an ammo dump and some personnel. Ukraine has verified that it was an ATACM rocket provided by USA. It appears it was of a type with almost a thousand submunitions in it's warhead, which would be ideal for use at an airfield. Another variant of this ATACM could attack and probably destroy the Kerch Bridge, which connects Crimea to russia. We don't know if USA has authorized it's use for that purpose. Regardless, this is a real big deal that Ukraine has these rockets now.

 

In other news, russia launched a large offensive up and down the front a few days ago. They have gained very little, (if any) territory and are taking very heavy losses in personnel and tanks and other armored vehicles. Another slaughterhouse really, like earlier in Bakhmut. Hopefully now their forces are exhausted and Ukraine can resume their offensive.
Here is some of the carnage.

 

Ukraine out of the headlines at the moment but doesn't mean nothing happening.

 

The goal was to extract large amounts of money from the American taxpayer and transfer it to special interests. That goal was accomplished. As far as a war goes, Ukraine lost this one the day they decided to fight it. That’s just the unfortunate truth. Rational adults saw this plainly. Now it’s time to move the goal posts and redefine what words like “win” and “lose” mean to pacify the Americans who ignorantly supported sending about a half a million Ukrainians to die. Gotta convince people it was worth it so they can do it somewhere else in the very near future. Ukraine will be forgotten the quickest by the ones who cheered the loudest for the conflict to continue. It’s amazing people haven’t figured this wash/repeat scheme out yet. Just plug in different countries and characters and off we go.

 

Ukraine was invaded. They didn't have to be sent anywhere. And the day they decided to fight was the day their neighbor decided to attack their capital.

Victory is the same today as it has always been. Russia expelled from Ukrainian territory and Ukraine free to run their country how they choose.

 

All week, Russia has been making very large assaults against the Ukraine defenses. Russia has not gained any territory. But their casualties are extremely high, especially the last two days, both in troops killed and equipment lost. I am not going to post any numbers, but calling it a meatgrinder is an understatement.

 

Ruck Fussia.

 

Would’ve saved a few hundred thousand lives. But yeah, dick swinging on someone else’s dime is the right thing to do. The inches they’ve gained (not where you’re thinking) will surely be worth it.

 

Simon Shuster, author of Time's article which named Zelensky "Person of the Year" in 2022, had a come to Jesus moment after visiting Ukraine, and being told things by Zelensky's inner circle.

The truth runs very counter to the propaganda you've been fed about Ukraine winning. Ukraine is losing, their man power has been decimated (average age for a Ukrainian soldier is now 43 due to losses of the young)

Yet another disaster caused/enabled by the US military industrial complex, not entirely of course, but we had a major hand in this. One has to ask why there is never a shortage of political will for this sort of thing. We'll turn on the money printer and throw billions of dollars to help fuck up other countries while our own rots from within.

We don't even know where the money will end up, because the country is so corrupt.

 

I hate it when things quitely leave the news cycle, and people don't acknowledge the lies that were told.

 

This thread is supposed to be about the Ukraine, not about America..........