OT [NSFL, Extremely Graphic] - Photos Released by the Washington Post from Scenes of Mass Shootings

In other words, nothing works so do nothing and hope you can run faster than a bullet. True, other countries don't have this problem but nothing to see. Nothing works. Evil minded people will find a way. Let children be massacred and call yourself pro life.

 

what such hyperbole!!!
@Phatguysrule has long been an advocate of better mental health care and social services to counter the mental aspect of these deranged shooters.

why do so many people make such hyperbole posts like this???
This is almost as bad as fake news or those creating false narratives.

I do believe one thing. If we don't stop this hyperbole reaction, nothing. Nothing will get solved. No one can work together and compromise when such opinions are prevalent.

@crandc show one post where anyone here has ever said nothing should be done??

ill sit patiently and wait.

 

My position is, and has been, that focusing on removing or further restricting guns is doing exactly nothing.

I've proposed far more solutions than pretty much anybody in this forum. And my proposals don't require a constitutional amendment or violating the constitutional rights of hundreds of millions of Americans, or turning tens of millions of law abiding Americans into criminals. Which by default makes them far easier solutions to enact, especially individually.

I've advocating for increased access to education (preferably universal).

I've advocated for increased access to healthcare (including mental health) (preferably universal).

I've advocated for increased mental health provider presence in schools.

I've advocated for improved social safety net.

I've advocated for federal funding to cover improving procedures in, and hardening of, our schools to make them harder to enter by force.

I've advocated for a federal law which would require states to use their current equipment capabilities to mark the ID of weapons restricted individuals, and make lending, gifting, or selling guns to restricted individuals a felony. Once again, all states already have this ability, including the equipment and the database of dangerous people. A database that should by nationalized if it is not already.

I've advocated for a free website of the above national database in which anybody (even black market criminals) can look up the ID number of these people to verify that the ID is up to date verify firearm restriction status.

I've advocated for a tax credit for approved gun safety courses and continuing courses annually.

If you can find somebody who has brought more solutions and information to the table on reducing gun deaths please point them out.

 

Yes, you have made good proposals. But it seems every proposal a chorus of that won't work and nothing is what we end up with.

 

As long as we keep pushing for something that has never worked (prohibition of something hundreds of millions of Americans love) then we will continue to end up with nothing.

Oregon and the entire West Coast has been ramping up gun laws for decades and violent crime and murder rates (including gun crime and murder) have only gotten worse.

I'm not claiming that the laws made crime worse, but it certainly hasn't reduced crime.

This is not the kind of thing you can solve in this country by restricting law abiding citizens. We've seen it time and time again.

We need solutions the whole country can get behind. We need to educate our law abiding citizens and give them tools to help us succeed.

 

Why don't other countries have the problem? Yes, occasionally, but not constantly. We all have mental health problems, we all had Covid isolation, we all play video games.

 

Largely because other countries have far better access to healthcare and education, and better social safety nets.

The countries that have high ratios of households with guns (some as high and higher than the US) have far better access to education about gun safety, including storage, etc.

These are things we can absolutely address right now with no changes to the constitution or relying on a conservative supreme court changing position or 20 plus states to make a 180 from the direction they've been trending for decades (including a steep trend toward less regulation recently).

We could address so much right now.

*Edit* Not to mention the vast majority of our mass shootings are due to lack of opportunities. Mainly underprivileged Americans who don't have options getting screwed over by the judicial system and/or police. Or they are the children of these situations. So they wind up joining gangs or getting into other small time crime. And we do this at higher rates than most other countries.

All of that combined in a country of 350 million people who are surrounded by so much wealth leaves ample opportunity for horrible things like this to happen.

 

Agree with most but often mass shooters are white and middle class. Not the very poor. And male.

 

Agreed. The scary ones who randomly attack gun free zones tend to be white middle class males during a murder/suicide.

Middle class Americans don't have very good access or guidance for healthcare. And they are often stressing about what a failure they are and terrified of winding up under a bridge.

But the vast majority of our "mass shootings" and even "school shootings" are gang related, at night. Which is still a problem. But not a problem that can be solved by restrictions.