Mike Richman discusses Thybulle's improved 3-point shooting and frequency this season. "Even better than last season when he shot a career best." Richman says that Thybulle is "not a great passer." What has he been watching? Thybulle's one of the best passers on the roster. Cued up to 14:11
I think that Thybulle simply shooting at higher volume will give the defense plenty to worry about. He’s shooting 42% on 4 3PA right now, I think that being 37-38% on 8 3PA alone would make a defense worry. That would tack on 4.3ppg to his average. I think Thybulle just needs to continue to build on his confidence as a shooter. If he develops a reputation for being one of those guys who can just randomly erupt with 7/12 from 3 on any given night, he helps us infinitely because, keep in mind…he would still be coming off the bench. That’s the point I would just keep him. At that point, he would be worth every bit of his salary.
Yes, being able to shoot 7/12 once in a while in a game would take Thybulle and the Blazer's offense to another level. Both Sharpe and Scoot have the skill and willingness to attract the defense and throw cross-court passes to open 3-point shooters.
Okay fair points. Sorry, I guess I should’ve added caveats. I only meant that Hart, given his skillset, is a better player (to me). I think that Hart is a more disciplined defender and better rebounder/passer, and is a contending-level third guard to have off the bench. The 3 point shooting is an obvious glare, true. I kind of disregarded that when assessing. Yes, Thybulle is really showing positive signs that he can come off the bench and kind of do a little bit of everything like Hart. Thybulle isn’t a better overall passer than Hart (I don’t think anyone asks him to be), but he is good enough to dribble up the court and likely will always be the 3/4th ball handler on the court. If the shooting is real, yes he’s an infinitely better option than Hart for our bench.
Through 2 games coming off the bench: 9.5/2.5/2/1.5/.5 on .636/.555/.000 Obviously, no one expects Thybulle to shoot that well. But if he averages even 10+ppg on .470+/.380+/.750+ and is happy with 20-25mpg off the bench, I’m all for keeping him.
Tisse is underappreciated around here. In Philly they said he had no offense, but with his improved shot, as well as his other assets, he's definitely not a liability. One thing that goes unnoticed with him is that he stays within his limits. He doesn't force anything and takes care of the ball, which the team could do a much better job of. In a perfect world, he would come off the bench at SG next to Ant. Good ball handler, improved spot up shooter, very unselfish and most importantly for the matchup next to Ant, he's a great defender with a lot of positional flexibility.
Tisse is a human being first and foremost. He's a basketball player. He's a very disruptive defender. He's a guy who makes open threes at a pretty good clip. He also seems to finish at the rim in the open court well. He makes 11M per season over the next three seasons which makes his contract pretty valuable for a guy that can do the things he does. I think he could be a starter on a playoff team if that team had a couple of all stars and two other starters better than him, otherwise I think Thybulle is a rotational player off the bench of just about any team in the league including contenders.
He shot 38% from three over 22 games last year with our team. He's at 42% in 12 games so far this year. So that's 34 games. Almost at your sample size of 40 games.
That would clearly be dependent on where is Matisse Thybulle? Locations matter. The “Why” may change based on the “Where”.
Josh-Hart-type except for Hart's much better rebounding and passing, which is kind of significant. Better defender though. Comparable from three he's fine as a bench player...somebody you can bring in with the idea he can inhibit a hot perimeter player on the opposing team. That has value. And he's on a decent contract; might be a bit overpaid, might not. Meaning it's a tradable contract. Not a player you actively shop, but certainly don't hold him out of a bigger trade if his salary is necessary
Josh is playing like ass this year, and for twice the price of Thybulle! 41% from the field and 30% from three. So no, they’re not comparable from three. Tisse is shooting 38% and Hart is shooting 30%. Sure, he rebounds, but so does Sharpe.. and Ayton…. And even Grant these days (sometimes).
I wasn't talking about 10 game sample sizes when we have over 700 games of sample between the two players. That's a lot more predictive IMO in terms of careers, Hart has a 46.3 FG%; Thybulle 45.0%. Hart is 34.8% on three's; Thybulle is 34.0%. Hart has shot 1435 three's; Thybulle has shot 637. That's what I meant by comparable there's also the component of variance. Hart has shot 30% on three's in NY in 12 games this season; he shot 52% in 25 games last season. Either end of variance rarely establishes a new normal
Serious answer: He's not an integral part of the team, and players who make $7 mil to $10 mil/year are rare and valuable pieces who can make bigger trades work. That doesn't mean I think we should trade him.... unless we get a good deal, of course.
We have more than 12 games with Thybulle. We have the 22 games from last year too. His shooting has a larger sample size than people want to admit And we also have historical context on Hart starting hot for a new team and then falling off in the following year.
I really don't know what it is you're trying to argue...at least not with me when I talked careers * I said Hart is a better rebounder...that's demonstrably true: 10.5 rebounds/100-possessions vs 4.6; 11.9% reb rate vs 5.3% * I said Hart is a better passer: again, demonstrably true * I said they were comparable shooters....that's accurate too in terms of careers. Hart better at three's; Thybulle better at two's now, if you want to operate from recency bias on their respective new teams, ok: Hart in 37 NY games is 39-92 on three's for a .423 conversion rate Thybulle in 34 PDX games is 52-130 for a .400 conversion rate
Well, one of the first points I made is cost. Hart just signed a 20 million per year deal. Almost twice as much as Tisse. Also I’m mainly debating whether they’re comparable shooters. This year they’re not. Hart has now had two teams where he started out hot after a trade and then fell off a cliff the next year. Two teams in a row. I haven’t looked at New Orleans. Thybulle shot well last year after the trade and he has continued that same level of shooting this year. Hart had a massive swing from last year to this year.
