OT Derek Chauvin, 45, is found guilty on ALL three charges

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  1. beast blazer

    beast blazer Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't erroneous. It, as well as Hydroxyclorquin were effective, which why they were censored. They didn't want an alternative to the vaccine, or anything that might reduce their death numbers.

    If these banned early treatments weren't effective, can you explain to me why Dr. Tyson and Dr. Fareed had 0 deaths and a 100% recovery rate on the 7,000+ patients they treated? No you can't, because you're ignorant. You believe whatever the TV tells you. You need to grow up.



    I don't know if you read my post, or even his article very carefully, because he was refuting the idea that Floyd died of Fentanyl. But you chose to bring up this, just to argue.
     
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    That's not what I said. I said I didn't care if hewas found guilty of specifically murder. Then I told you what he plead guilty to.

    That's not accurate according to expert medical testimony. The amount of drugs in Floyd's system were not consistent with an overdose, and accompanying chemicals that are typically present during an overdose were not present in Floyd's system.

    The amount of drugs in Floyd's system was about average compared to your typical DUI.

    It's all in the link I shared above.

    Chauvin also plead guilty to doing the same thing to a 14 year old, causing injury.
     
  3. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    No, they were not effective.

    Yes, I looked up who wrote the article. Maybe you should have too.
     
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    I'll concede that they were in the wrong to some degree. There should have been some attempt to put him in a recovery position when he was going limp.

    I don't like how the narrative was immediately created that it was a racist white cop murdering a black man that was spewed out from everywhere immediately after. The riots were clearly intentionally sparked and encouraged.
     
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    You are painfully unintelligent.
     
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    Police should be trained to deescalate, regardless of race, unless there is a crime in process, and then they should only get physical when necessary to prevent the perp from harming somebody.

    If they hurt people they should be held accountable.
     
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    MRT wasn't meant to escalate, it's a move they make prior to calling for medical help when they can't control someone. They tried for 30 minutes to get him into the car.

    And on the topic of "accountability", there's also the issue, that we have jobs in our society, that are very necessary, but will result in serious death/injury if the person performing them makes a mistake, or even simply in the line of duty (wrestling with a criminal). If we start sending these people to prison for every mistake, who will do those jobs? Minneapolis has lost about a 3rd of it's force now.

    Mistakes in the medical field is one of the leading causes of death in the US, but we don't send them to prison.
     
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    People who would make the mistake Chauvin made should not be police officers.

    That lesson will not be learned unless we punish the people who make those mistakes in a manner to match the severity of the result of their actions.

    Chauvin should never have been a cop.
     
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    Kano John Start 'em young!

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    I was with you until the Beaver fan dig - c'mon man!
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Don't forget to warn them to stay away from people who root for the LA Dodgers and/or Lakers. But then, you'd probably end up missing your kids terribly..........

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    Fired yes. In prison for murder, I don't think so. In prison for manslaughter, maybe.

    If the officers and simply gotten off him and put him in the recover position as soon as he was calming down and saying he couldn't breath, they would absolutely be at no fault. I suspect they were in an ego pissing-contest with the crowd, who was telling them to get up.
     
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    He's not in prison for murder. He's in prison for violating the constitutional rights of citizens, resulting in the harm of one and the loss of life for the other.
     
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    He was sentenced to 22.5 years for second degree murder. The civil rights violation was a civil case.

    He was initially charged with manslaughter, a more reasonable charge, but it was elevated to 2nd degree murder to to mob pressure. 2nd degree murder is unintentional death while committing an assault.

    It's a ridiculous charge, because Chauvin was not in the act of committing an assault. Holding a combative arrestee on the ground in that way, was totally in line with their training (Floyd himself asked to be held on the ground). The staying there too long was the negligent part.
     
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    He was certainly in the act of commiting an assault. I do not think he intended to kill George Floyd. He certainly used unnecessary physical force that resulted in death. And police should never do that.

    22.5 years is a good sentence.
     
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    The police restraining a resisting arestee is not assault. If they were committing an assault, you'd have to say every arrest is an assault...something that is clearly ridiculous. The DA knew this and didn't charge him with that initially.

    Mob sentiment should not affect our legal system. The same mob wanted an officer to be charged with murder for saving the life of a black woman because he shot another black woman who was lunging at her neck with a knife.
     
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    They had no reason to arrest him. The arrest itself was assault.
     
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    They did because he had counterfeit money, had a speedball in his mouth and was behind the wheel of a car and acting really erratically, so of course they had to remove him, then he was resisting.

    Are you saying if he had simply cooperated and got in the police car nice and easy they should still be charged with assault?
     
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    Police shouldn't just be able to walk up to you and demand to see your hands then point a gun at you because someone told them you broke the law.

    The police escalated the situation in the first place, so everything after that is their fault. All they needed to do if Floyd was scared or uncooperative was get the vehicle ID and a picture and then start investigating. Maybe follow Floyd to his next location. Even put a gps tracker on the car.

    Police procedures should be to deescalate first and foremost. The police presence is why Floyd died, specifically, the shitty decision making of Chauvin.

    Police need to change their training, tactics, hiring and disciplinary methods and until they do I want assholes like Chauvin put in jail long enough that they'll never be able to be a police officer again.
     
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    how else can we stem a criminal act prior to it happening, if not responding to such information?
    Also its not his fault he should never have been a cop. Reading through this it seems that because he should never have been a cop you are justifying every punishment bestowed upon him.
    The only good thing from all of this, in my opinion, is it has shined a light on the police force as a whole and exposed things that should be fixed. Like hiring processes and training.
    But i do not see how one would want additional punishment for someone wanting to be a cop who shouldn't have been one.
    That should not be a factor at all in sentencing.
     

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