OT Derek Chauvin, 45, is found guilty on ALL three charges

Another way to put it is if i saw my neighbor with an illegal gun or substance and called the cops, it sounds like you are implying the cops should not investigate my report of my neighbor?

 

You improve access to education, healthcare, and improve the social safety net and eliminate homelessness.

Do that and you have eliminated 75% of small crime that happens today. Maybe more.
You can't do it with police or jails as the main lever.

It's not Floyd's fault either. Ignorance is not an excuse. You get a ticket when you speed, regardless of if you know the speed limit or not. Chauvin's mean spiritedness and poor decision making hurt a great many people and killed a man over the allegation of a $20 crime.

Go to jail. For life please. I'll accept 20 years, though, because it means he'll probably never be re-hired as a police officer or have authority over civilians again.

Agreed. Hopefully it will force enough of a change. I have serious doubts.

No additional punishment. If I go out and grab my neighbor and stand on his neck for 9 minutes while he asphyxiates I would expect to spend the rest of my life in jail. Police should not get a lesser sentence than I would. But the vast majority of the time, they do.

 

Not at all. They can and should investigate. I do not support them getting physical with your neighbor unless your neighbor attacks them or somebody else.

They should be well trained enough (or somebody who shows up should be well trained enough) to get to the bottom of the situation without putting a hand on anybody.

 

I get that and agree we need improved healthcare and mental awareness but that doesn't solve immediate issues. So its simply irrelevant in this context.

why does he have to be in prison to avoid becoming a cop again? You aren't serious with that are you? Keep him in prison so he cant be a cop? He could get 10 years and never be allowed to be a cop again. The logic in sentencing him longer to avoid his return to the same employment is simply not logical… or fair.


Have you ever done ride alongs with officers? I have. What people try to simplify into some black and white reaction to situations is impossible. Every situation is different.

I see you never responded to the doctors who make mistakes. Whats the difference? Why do cops have to be 100% perfect or go to jail?
Expecting such perfection is a recipe to be disappointed. Cops are human too. What you are expecting is not reasonable. Police have a right to react for their safety just as much as anyone else(not specific to floyd, just in general).

 

So they find an illegal gun on the porch with an 8ball next to it. They ask neighbor to come out with hands up. He doesn't. Cops have to walk away? I know this situation involves a warrant so let's take the house out of it aNd put it in a public place like a bar. I called the cops because a guy in the bar has a weapon and is high on drugs. Cops come investigate. Ask to search the person i point out. Person refuses. Cops cant do anything?

So then person leaves bar, goes down the street and shoots the minimart clerk.


At what point is it okay for cops to take action to avoid such things?

 

non sequitur

 

This is very vague. Well trained enough?

every situation cops roll up on are unique and different. Why? Because personalities and people are all different.
What does well trained enough mean?

Also. I know many other fields requiring alot of training. Those who make it through are not error free.

All I'm saying it is sounds like you want to punish the individual for the corrupt system. I disagree with that portion of his punishment.

 

Well id like to veer to the bar analogy as a house requires a warrant.
The investigation should be to ask questions. If the individual refuses, then the officers should have the okay to search to confirm or deny the report. If anything, for the safety of everyone else in the bar. If he is high on illegal drugs then. A search is completely in the right and possibly arresting him and tossing him in a cell until he sobers up.

 

your expectations for the prison sentence is not accurate from what im seeing.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/manslaughter-sentence/

What is the sentence for a manslaughter conviction?
The sentence for manslaughter will depend on the state and the specific type of manslaughter conviction.

For example, in California, voluntary manslaughter is the most severe type of manslaughter offense. The sentencing range is 3, 6, or 11 years in state prison.1However, in New York, the most severe manslaughter offense is aggravated manslaughter in the first degree.2 The aggravating factor is that it was a police officer who was killed. A conviction for this offense carries a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison, and up to 30 years behind bars.

 

That's the only solution. Violating the constitutional rights of the population or harrasing them until they give you a legal excuse to accost them is not and never will be a solution.

He shouldn't have to be in prison to prevent him from being a cop. But if he's not in prison he would almost certainly be re-hired as an officer someplace. Happens all the time. I would expect anybody who does what he did to Floyd to get 20+ years in prison. The fact that it will prevent him from being a cop is just an added bonus.

Nobody suggested he be sentenced longer for this reason. I have suggested that he not receive a reduced sentence due to being a cop. Which unfortunately is what usually happens. And that's if there is any sentence at all.

Don't care. You can't assault people or kill people the way Chauvin did. Ever. That's not acceptable, or even close. Certainly not over an allegation of a $20 crime.

I didn't see anything about doctors.

I haven't said police should not be allowed to defend themselves.

 

https://www.justia.com/criminal/off...cond-degree murder is,This will vary by state.

 

Sorry man. But its just not as black and white as you want to make it out to be. There is no set response for situations because they are all different.
Also. He got a longer sentence than most, so i am just not seeing what you aRe saying.

you say you don't care about ride alongs. But you want more education. The ride along is an education more people should do/have to get a better perspective. Without it, you are arguing from limited knowledge and coming to a conclusion without knowing the full scope of the job/ situation. I cant take that serious.

 

I want to punish the individual for their stupid actions and the harm they have caused. I want the system fixed to reduce the number of stupid action that civilians have to deal with.

 

It's the only solution to the question that was asked.

 

no less than 10 no more than 25. Seems 22 years is on the long end. Not the short end a 15 year sentance would be about average so not sure what you are getting at in this post?

 

Not its not. Its not a solution at all for current events/situations. What you and i wNt will take time to implement successfully. Until then just let criminals run rampant?

There are long term proposed solutions and then there are immediate solutions required for the interim.

 

This is all irrelevant to my position. I don't care about what you witnessed or experienced on your ride-along with officers who are trained under the current system.

 

And he has multiple charges. I'm good with it.