Out of all active QB's who have won a Superbowl, only 1 started the majority of the games his rookie season: Ben Roethlisberger.Ben Roethlisberger - StartedTom Brady - SatBrad Johnson - SatTrent Dilfer - SatKurt Warner - SatBrett Favre - SatIn today's NFL, it isn't beneficial to start your QB right away. Also, active SB QB runner ups:Matt Hasselbeck - SatDonovan McNabb - SatJake Delhomme - SatKurt Warner - SatKerry Collins - StartedSteve McNair - SatBTW, out of all the active SB winning QB's and SB runner up QB's only McNabb, McNair, and Roethlisberger are 1st round picks.
Damn I didn't really notice that because I actually thought a lot of rookies usually start their first yearThats pretty strange about the only first round picks are McNabb, Hassellbeck & Big Ben. Didn't expect just those three just because of the way their playing.
Ben did sit the first game then he was thrown into the fire...I dont think they will sit Vince because they are about to lost Steve.
Don't forget Kyle Orton in the group of QB's who started their first year. If Vince Young was on a team w/ good defense and a run as Orton and Rothleisberger were their rookie years, then I would definalty start him, b/c he has more raw talent that those 2 QB's, but since the defense and run game isn't so good, he should sit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xpostxscript @ May 6 2006, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn I didn't really notice that because I actually thought a lot of rookies usually start their first yearThats pretty strange about the only first round picks are McNabb, Hassellbeck & Big Ben. Didn't expect just those three just because of the way their playing.</div>McNair, not Hasselbeck, but year.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Warrior @ May 6 2006, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben did sit the first game then he was thrown into the fire...</div>Yeah, but most QB's don't start week 1. Which is why I said the majority of their games their rookie year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Warrior @ May 6 2006, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben did sit the first game then he was thrown into the fire...Yeah, but most QB's don't start week 1. Which is why I said the majority of their games their rookie year.</div>Kyle Orton played but 6 quarters of the regular season
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sham @ May 6 2006, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A guy like VYoung deserves to start right away. Damn, he could own everybody.</div>Not really.If Vince Young starts right away, he will be out of the NFL in 4 years.1) He has an awful delivery (reminiscant of that of Joey Harrington and Cade McNown coming out of college) and would need to rework his entire delivery of the football. 2) He isnt very bright and the amount of time it will take him to fully learn and understand the playbook is a factor. 3) He makes poor decisions when throwing the football (1 INT Per 32.5 Passes, For comparison Leinart is 53.8 passes per interception, Cutler is at 51.3, and Kellen Clemens is at a freakishly high 72.2 passes between Interceptions). He is going to need to take some time and learn how to read defenses better before he is ready.4) He played in a shotgun offense at Texas and will have to get used to taking snaps from under center (Much like Alex Smith was last year) before he is ready.Starting Vince Young immediately would be committing career suicide at this point. The only 2 Quarterbacks in this draft who should have a chance of starting this season is Matt Leinart and Kellen Clemens and those should only be because of need.
I'm a huge Vince Young fan, and while it would be great to see him start, he would definently be bad. He needs some work on his motion as we all know, but with coaches like Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher, he should progress nicely and become [hopefully] at the worst a Michael Vick type player.Although, Vince Young has some experience in starting very quickly. After all, he started as a freshman at Texas, something most players never get to do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 6 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sham @ May 6 2006, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A guy like VYoung deserves to start right away. Damn, he could own everybody.</div>The only 2 Quarterbacks in this draft who should have a chance of starting this season is Matt Leinart and Kellen Clemens and those should only be because of need.</div>WRONG. Clemens didn't play in anything close to being considered a pro style offense. He played in a Shotgun-Sweep offense which doesn't involve much pro style play. He needs to sit, just like Young needs to sit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpEnCerGfX @ May 6 2006, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a huge Vince Young fan, and while it would be great to see him start, he would definently be bad. He needs some work on his motion as we all know, but with coaches like Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher, he should progress nicely and become [hopefully] at the worst a Michael Vick type player.Although, Vince Young has some experience in starting very quickly. After all, he started as a freshman at Texas, something most players never get to do.</div>I would love to see him try and be a Vick type player... because he'll be killed.Just because he's a black "running" QB, doesn't mean he's like Vick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 6 2006, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 6 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sham @ May 6 2006, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A guy like VYoung deserves to start right away. Damn, he could own everybody.</div>The only 2 Quarterbacks in this draft who should have a chance of starting this season is Matt Leinart and Kellen Clemens and those should only be because of need.</div>WRONG. Clemens didn't play in anything close to being considered a pro style offense. He played in a Shotgun-Sweep offense which doesn't involve much pro style play. He needs to sit, just like Young needs to sit.</div>I said in my post he should only play BECAUSE OF NEED. With 2 quarterbacks in Pennington and Ramsey in front of him lets pray to god that he doesnt come close to needing to play for us, but if called upon he could do half decent. Putting either Young or Cutler out there now would be committing career suicide for them, but Clemens could handle it since the only real issue is the learning the new offense, his mechanics are rather good for a college QB. His wonderlic scores would indicate that hes a bright kid and he managed a game well in college with good his decisions. The only thing he will really gain from riding a bench is a better knowledge of the offense and playbook. But in his best interest he SHOULD sit a year....but god forbid Pennington gets hurt again and Ramsey is trash (again), I wouldnt be opposed to seeing what the kid has if he appears to being close to ready.
[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='46062' date='May 6 2006, 10:15 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='46058' date='May 6 2006, 08:48 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='45965' date='May 6 2006, 03:53 PM'][quote name='Sham' post='45865' date='May 6 2006, 11:16 AM']A guy like VYoung deserves to start right away. Damn, he could own everybody.[/quote]The only 2 Quarterbacks in this draft who should have a chance of starting this season is Matt Leinart and Kellen Clemens and those should only be because of need.[/quote]WRONG. Clemens didn't play in anything close to being considered a pro style offense. He played in a Shotgun-Sweep offense which doesn't involve much pro style play. He needs to sit, just like Young needs to sit.[/quote]I said in my post he should only play BECAUSE OF NEED. With 2 quarterbacks in Pennington and Ramsey in front of him lets pray to god that he doesnt come close to needing to play for us, but if called upon he could do half decent. Putting either Young or Cutler out there now would be committing career suicide for them, but Clemens could handle it since the only real issue is the learning the new offense, his mechanics are rather good for a college QB. His wonderlic scores would indicate that hes a bright kid and he managed a game well in college with good his decisions. The only thing he will really gain from riding a bench is a better knowledge of the offense and playbook. But in his best interest he SHOULD sit a year....but god forbid Pennington gets hurt again and Ramsey is trash (again), I wouldnt be opposed to seeing what the kid has if he appears to being close to ready.[/quote]I'd rather bring in Brooks Bollinger or Vinny T.I'm a firm believer that the main reason Brooksie looked bad is because he was running for his life every play. Mike Shanahan said Brooks has starting potential like Drew Brees and he liked him a lot.
[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='46066' date='May 6 2006, 09:31 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='46062' date='May 6 2006, 10:15 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='46058' date='May 6 2006, 08:48 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='45965' date='May 6 2006, 03:53 PM'][quote name='Sham' post='45865' date='May 6 2006, 11:16 AM']A guy like VYoung deserves to start right away. Damn, he could own everybody.[/quote]The only 2 Quarterbacks in this draft who should have a chance of starting this season is Matt Leinart and Kellen Clemens and those should only be because of need.[/quote]WRONG. Clemens didn't play in anything close to being considered a pro style offense. He played in a Shotgun-Sweep offense which doesn't involve much pro style play. He needs to sit, just like Young needs to sit.[/quote]I said in my post he should only play BECAUSE OF NEED. With 2 quarterbacks in Pennington and Ramsey in front of him lets pray to god that he doesnt come close to needing to play for us, but if called upon he could do half decent. Putting either Young or Cutler out there now would be committing career suicide for them, but Clemens could handle it since the only real issue is the learning the new offense, his mechanics are rather good for a college QB. His wonderlic scores would indicate that hes a bright kid and he managed a game well in college with good his decisions. The only thing he will really gain from riding a bench is a better knowledge of the offense and playbook. But in his best interest he SHOULD sit a year....but god forbid Pennington gets hurt again and Ramsey is trash (again), I wouldnt be opposed to seeing what the kid has if he appears to being close to ready.[/quote]I'd rather bring in Brooks Bollinger or Vinny T.I'm a firm believer that the main reason Brooksie looked bad is because he was running for his life every play. Mike Shanahan said Brooks has starting potential like Drew Brees and he liked him a lot.[/quote]I like Brooksie too. The way im looking into it our QB situation next season is....1. Pennington (We're kinda locked into that until its manageable to cut him)2. Ramsey/Bollinger (Im hoping Bollinger, Ramsey is trash)3. Clemens4. Brad Smith (Will make the roster as a WR, but god forbid we need a #4 QB I think he takes it.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ May 6 2006, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Young should play. Orton did, and look what he did.</div>Didnt throw a pass over 15 yards all season?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 6 2006, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpEnCerGfX @ May 6 2006, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a huge Vince Young fan, and while it would be great to see him start, he would definently be bad. He needs some work on his motion as we all know, but with coaches like Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher, he should progress nicely and become [hopefully] at the worst a Michael Vick type player.Although, Vince Young has some experience in starting very quickly. After all, he started as a freshman at Texas, something most players never get to do.</div>I would love to see him try and be a Vick type player... because he'll be killed.Just because he's a black "running" QB, doesn't mean he's like Vick.</div>That's not what I ment. What I was trying to say was that he could be a playmaking rusher, which he is, but not be a great passer and get stats like 18 touchdowns, but also have 14 or 15 interceptions. So what I meant was that he had the same sort of stats as Vick. In no way is he close to the same player though.
