Malcolm Brogdon trade ideas

I don't really get the purpose of your post. First, you make a definitive on what the goal should be and then later you say either one's OK. I've already said several times that you hear offers for Grant and Brogdon and if you have something that works for the continued growth of the Blazers and ONLY IF it works for the continued growth of the Blazers, you do it. Again, I don't understand why you're disagreeing with me if your conclusion is the same as mine and the parameters are in all but the details the same as mine.

I will absolutely disagree with you that just any vet can bring the value guys like Brogdon and Grant bring, though. I think having a couple of vets that can make games meaningful and competitive is of greater import to our younger guys just playing. Earl Watson couldn't do that. Honestly, Earl Watson didn't have the resume' to tell any younger guys how to be big contributors on good teams -- he averaged double figures twice in his career and made the playoffs three times, and one of those was with the Blazers.

Having players that not only can tell Scoot and Sharpe and Ant what they need to do but also go out there and show them and also show them positive results first-hand is invaluable. Earl Watson-level players don't do that. If you're talking a guy who's essentially just going to be a coach-player, that needs to be someone that actually made an impact during a great career, someone with cache.

 

Wait you actually think those four players will play those minutes?

 

Fuck it. It isn't worth it.

 

No. Injuries and the teams we play will vary. But i broke the 96 minutes you are concerned about in a manner that shows we can play them all and it will be fine.
ALOT more to that post than the minutes breakdown i presented dont get fixated…

 

I'm only interested in that portion of your post.

You think that Simons is only going to play 27 minutes per game? Sharpe is only gonna play 24?

 

Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Injuries and teams we play will play factors on who plays how many minutes.

but im only interested in your definition of competitive. Care to answer the wide range of posts you described that as?

seriously. Address the questions asked to you if you want to fixate and ask questions back.
You completely dismissed platys post. Why?

 

Exactly, playing in competitive games with slightly less minutes is more valuable.

 

What does that have to do with you thinking that Simons is doing to play 27 minutes per game?

 

Nah, you caught me being disorganized with my thoughts. I definitely posted a few different definitions of competitive and it was stupid to try to get into an argument about defining competitive because at the end of the day, it wasn't really the main point of the argument.

 

Honestly, none of this is really worth debating until Simons actually comes back and we see how he looks. We very likely will see Simons come off the bench at first for the first month while he gets back into game shape, but I expect he will be in the starting lineup by the trade deadline and that is when we will see if Joe decides to move MB.

 

i cant disagree with this.

 

I'll tell you why you're right. Many of us have already stated our take that this team is not good enough to make the playoffs. That will be shown before the trade deadline.

However the biggest reason it's not worth it is that we have Joe's track record. If we aren't in contention then Joe will trade guys who are valuable to contenders for picks and younger players and Joe will try to attain the best position possible in the draft lottery. What's crazy is that people think this strategy has changed now that we don't have an all nba superstar leading this team.

It's just a prediction but I think after February 8th which is in 10 weeks and 32 games (only 4 of which we will likely be favored in) Grant will be gone, Malcolm will be gone and a couple of weeks later Ant and Deandre will be sitting. It doesn't matter what I want or what any fan wants, Joe will do what Joe does.

 

Minutes will vary game by game depending on how well each is playing. Sometimes 28 sometimes 38
But if all are healthy (and again that is a big if) there are 144 minutes for 3 positions (Sharpe, Malcolm, and Thybulle can all guard both positions. There is not that much of a difference between the two positions........against most opponents. And when we need to get bigger, then Camara gets more minutes.

For Scoot, give him 20 every night and more if he is playing well. I love his potential but he still needs to earn it. Sorry, but where he was drafted should not make a difference as long as he is getting an opportunity.

Sharpe 33
Malcolm 30
Simons 30

Thybulle 22
Scoot 20

That leaves Camara with 20 minutes (11 minutes at SF and 9 at PF)

The minutes for Walker and Reath can be situational depending on the opponent.

 

Honestly, I don't think our record is going to matter at all with Joe's decision making. I think he has a plan and I think he's gonna stick with that plan. I do think it's possible we keep Grant though, because finding 6'9 guys who can do what he does is really hard to find. He's the best forward we have had since LMA. That's really damn sad but it's true. He's 29 but the guys in this draft look raw as fuck. I could see us keeping Grant for at least this whole season and maybe next season. Maybe longer depending on how we play.

 

He's been out a long time at this point. I'm sure he has been exercising and all that, but game shape is another animal. They're saying he might be back in mid December. I think it's gonna take more than a few weeks, but maybe not. I guess we'll see how he looks when he comes back. Maybe it only takes a couple weeks for him to get back into the flow, but that's the other thing. It's not just about conditioning. I wonder how long it will take to work him into the system.