Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. oldfisherman

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    Wrong again.

    Storm Shadow was upgraded in 2017 and is their best ground launched cruise missile. It has almost twice the range of our best ground launched cruise missile that Ukraine wants. It also has about a 50% larger warhead.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

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    Link that that Britain gave them the 2017 version? Because they haven't given that to the other countries. And most of those have been limited to under 300km.
     
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    https://www.militarytoday.com/missiles/storm_shadow.htm

    The upgrade was to extend the missiles lifespan to 2032, and increase the range to 550 km.

    Fuel in missiles only stays good for so long, then they become as unreliable as a Russian missile

    BTW 300 km is the same range for the US missile Ukraine wanted.
     
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    You can replace fuel in missiles.
     
  5. oldfisherman

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    I believe they also upgraded the engine, but not important.

    Britain will not tell anyone which version they gave Ukraine. Let's assume they only gave them the 300 km version. This Storm Shadow is still a better weapon than the same 300 km range US version Ukraine wanted.

    The 300 km US missile is ground launch only. The Storm Shadow given to Ukraine has been adapted to be launched from a plane. Therefore it's range can be greatly increased by the planes range. Plus it does have a larger warhead which is better for taking out hard targets.
     
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    A lot of people in Ukraine would agree with you (not to mention Garry Kasparov also) that Biden doesn't want Ukraine to win. Not sure why.
     
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    Biden is giving just enough to keep Ukraine in the fight.

    Beleive Phatguysrule nailed it in a prior post. Drain Russia's military strength. Sadly, at the cost of Ukrainian lives.
     
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    I don't think Biden or the establishment wants Ukraine to lose. I think they want Russia engaged and wasting resources for as long as possible. Ukraine is unfortunately caught up in it. Receiving just enough help to stay afloat, but not enough to knock Russia out.
     
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    This American guy was not a soldier or participant in any way in the war. This could have very well happened to me if I had stayed in Crimea even one day longer, especially since I was active in support of Euromaidan protests. In fact my attorney emailed me two days after I had left and said police were looking for me for "questioning". Glad to see that USA is being active; they should also charge russians with any crimes against American volunteer POWs.

    "Prosecutors alleged Mkrtchyan and his soldiers abducted the unnamed victim from the village of Mylove in the Kherson Oblast region in southern Ukraine in April 2022. They beat him and illegally held him in custody for 10 days, according to the Justice Department.

    Officials said some of the men either led or participated in interrogation sessions and tortured the victim, at times stripping him of his clothes and photographing him and beating him.

    The co-conspirators "threw [the victim] face down to the ground while he was naked, tied his hands behind his back, pointed a gun at his head, and beat him with their feet, their fists, and the stocks of their guns," prosecutors said in the nine-page indictment.

    In one particularly brutal session, Garland said Budnik "threatened the victim with death and asked him for his last words." Nazar and others then took the victim outside.

    "There, they forced him to the ground and put a gun to the back of his head. The victim believed he was about to be killed. They moved the gun just before pulling the trigger and the bullet went just past his head," Garland said. "After the mock execution, the victim was beaten and interrogated again."
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-soldiers-charged-war-crimes-torture-ukraine/
     
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    Any discussion among politicians in partner countries about the priority/non-priority of large-scale military assistance to #Ukraine is first and foremost a discussion about investments in their own security, in guarantees of their own stability, and in their own leadership positions on the global political market. This is a direct investment in international law and strict rules that guarantee the world a predictable future. The question of the price of investment in Ukraine is today invariably the question of the price of sovereign self-defense of any democratic country.
     
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    It's over guys. I tried to tell you many months ago. Think twice before believing the MSM, they lie about EVERYTHING. Especially about war.
     
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    Its over when Ukraine decides its over. Simple as that.

    Russia can not occupy Ukraine as long as Ukraine wants to keep fighting. Simple as that. That's just math.

    What you say has no bearing on anything.
     
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    Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Or is that the point?
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    That's now how it works when you lose a war.
     
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    You guys are so naive and misinformed. It's pathetic.
     

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