Wasn't THT the centerpiece for a putative Dame trade to the Lakers? LAL fans were clamoring that THT was the shit. They were right he is shit. If Kuminga had major potential Kerr would play him more. He probably doesn't have the bbiq for Kerr's system, just like Wiseman.
Agreed. His BBIQ may be low, but he's going to be a menace for the 6 years until his physical tools begin to decline
Low BBIQ sounds like he wouldn’t be a fit on this team at all. Physical talent and low BBIQ sounds like Marquise Chriss. Kuminga has shown more promise than Chriss ever did, but not enough for me to be confident he’ll be a star, or even high level starter. If I’m being honest, his trajectory is a worse shooting/offensive, better defensive Harrison Barnes. I think that his peak is similar to Barnes’ stint with the Mavs. I’m wow’d by the athleticism and I’m confident the 3 will be fine, but I question why he isn’t getting time on the Warriors.
To be fair, Kuminga actually looks like he actually has potential. He sat until part way through the 3rd quarter and changed the entire result of the game. But you’re right to question his pt.
I think Kuminga is decent from the limited time Kerr has played him. But do you all think he is that much better than Camara? They are about the same size and I can't see playing them together as neither can spread the floor....yet. Then you throw in Rupert who is longer and only 19, and seems to progressing nicely. And then you add our first-round draft pick who most likely will be a forward..... Personally, I think that if we trade Brogdon or Grant, we need a forward in return with size..... who can shoot as well as Grant.
I look at the talent that Toronto has and 10-14 is unacceptable. If there is one team who should be willing to give us a quality forward it should be them. They could use Brogdon. I doubt they give us draft picks but either Grady or Precious might work. (plus Trent's 18 million ending contract) I see various weights listed for Precious (225 to 243) but he is long, brings a lot of energy, and is shooting 40% in his last 10 games from 3.
I’d much rather just grab Matas who has more potential than Gradey is pretty much every way, while being on par as a shooter. I’d rather trade Brogdon to the Magic for Bitazde, filler, the ‘25 DEN 1st. I need that 1st for Brogdon. Even if it’s a top 5 protected pick from a team like the Nuggets. The Warriors 1st was a bad 1st just right before the season. Weird things happen, injuries happen.
Why does Orlando need another guard when the ones they have are playing well? If I were them I sure wouldn't do it. We need a more desperate trading partner. Orlando is 8-2 in their last 10 games. If you prefer Matas over Gradey that does not hinder us from getting Precious.
Because all of their guards are young and have yet to see a minute of playoff action. Of course, they could sit on their hands and try to grow from within, or they can bring in a vet to can actually try to put them over the top while they’re fighting for HCA. The season isn’t 22 games, it’s 82 games. I wouldn’t be mad at Achiuwa, I just wouldn’t take Gradey in place of a 1st. I would take Achiuwa, Trent Jr, and a top 10 protected 1st in ‘27 that stays top 10 protected until ‘29, otherwise two 2nds. That deal, I could stomach. I don’t even know if we could get a 2nd for him, but we could sit him at home.
I believe that we want Orlando (and other teams) to think there is a big enough need to give us what we want, but my guess is our best bet will be teams who become "desperate enough" to pull the trigger. Maybe Orlando will become that team if they have a key injury to one of their PGs.....but right now I don't see it.
To be fair, one of Gradey or Precious + Trent doesn’t scream desperation either. Not at all actually.
You may not like Gradey, (and you may be right about him) but that doesn't mean they don't. Trading last year's lottery pick is a big deal to most teams.
Miami still makes the most sense. They need a point guard. They're 7th in the East. The window is closing on Jimmy. We could probably get Lowry/Jovic/2028 pick out of them. Maybe both their picks if they're desperate enough. I doubt it though. An unprotected 2028 pick is decent value for MB. I'm not sold on Jovic, but he's a guy that could be developed. Lowry steps in as the mentor for Scoot.
Who else are they going to get? Lowry is washed, Jovic is either a massive project or a bust, and the pick could end up being terrible. I'm just not seeing a lot of options for Brogdon.
Who realistically needs a point guard right now? Sixers could use another guard. Heat Nets Raptors? Thunder? Lakers? Pelicans? Suns - they have nothing to trade Jazz - but it seems like they're tanking Spurs Who of that list could use a 30 year old vet point guard? Sixers Heat Nets Lakers? Pelicans? Thunder? Who is on a tight timeline? Sixers Heat Lakers Pelicans? So who makes sense? Sixers have some draft capital but I think they're looking for bigger game than Brogdon. Heat make a lot of sense. Lakers? Pelicans have a window simply because their guys can never stay healthy. If they're all healthy at the same time, this would be a time to make a run.
What makes you think Lowry is washed? He definitely is a step slower, but in the games Ive seen - he's still surprisingly effective. Looking at advanced statistics, an argument can be made that Lowry is having a better season than Brogdon... they are at least close enough to blow up the underlying assumption of your trade scenario.
I wonder if OKC really would be interested. They've got FRP's for days. Lowry would be a great pickup for Scoot's mentorship and a solid backup PG. He's also very close with Chauncey. Jovic is whatever. If you can't develop and outperform in that system then IDK about him as an asset. The pick would probably be early 20's.
i dunno if Cronin will ever take the Heat off mute, but how about Brogdon & R.Williams for Lowry's expiring + pick(s) + young player ? (Jovic, O.Rob) basically revisit the Dame trade with a bit less to offer, and leave Tyler Herro out
R Williams has negative trade value especially to a luxury tax team so this part of the deal makes no sense.
