The conversation between you and I has gotten as far as it’s going to go. I know where you stand, you know where I stand. Pointless for me to bring up the mentally handicapped anymore because it just makes you squirm and blurt out vague, irrelevant things to avoid it.
I agree with @jonnyboy, forcing the mentally ill to fight is wrong. Moscow turns to prisons, psychiatric hospitals and the homeless to replenish depleted army The Russian authorities are casting a wide net in their desperate hunt for 'volunteer' recruits. Published on September 8, 2022 https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internati...less-to-restock-depleted-army_5996221_4.html#
Seemed like a simple question. Of course, more strawman arguments must be conjured to even address that... I agree, forcing the mentally handicapped into war is wrong. But nobody is going to cease supporting Ukraine defending their borders from a nuclear power because they have to draft all men and women and even some children to further that effort. Even if that means some who should not be, are unfortunately caught up in the fight. War sucks. Russia should cease their attack. Russia is at fault here. Ukraine will make some missteps in the effort at self defense. Every invaded country does.
I can understand how it could happen in the defense of your country, without being considered malicious or as some former of genocide. That doesn't mean I agree with this act (tactic?) or support it. Regardless of your claims and straw men. These are bogus tactics that will get you nothing other than dismissive responses and questions about why you are so supportive of Russian imperialism.
russian defector exposes some of the lies and crimes of Putin over the last ten years. Specifically reveals that so-called separatist actions in eastern Ukraine were all done by russia and that they subverted Minsk agreements with attacks against their own people. And that russian soldiers were ordered to execute civilians, this was not just random violence. Summary of claims made by Russian defector, GRU Military Intelligence Colonel Igor Salikov, in his affidavit to the International Criminal Court. • Igor Salikov wishes to surrender to the ICC and face justice, as it appears he committed war crimes in Ukraine. 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine • Worked with Dmitry ‘Wagner’ Utkin even before the formation of Wagner PMC, including at Redut PMC. • Participated in Russia's military coup of government in eastern Ukraine in 2014, ordered by Putin’s Presidential Administration. • Witnessed the mechanisms of the fraudulent ‘referendum’ in occupied Donetsk in 2014, leading to the formation of ‘Donetsk People’s Republic.’ • Commanded an FSB special forces unit in occupied Donbas under the guise of ‘Ukrainian separatists.’ • In 2015, witnessed false-flag operations of Russian forces shelling Ukrainian civilians in Donbas which were blamed on the Ukrainian Armed Forces, with the specific purpose of disrupting the ‘Minsk-2’ peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia. • Witnessed the Russian forces mining the streets and paths in occupied Donbas in the spring of 2015 with the specific intent to murder Ukrainian civilians and blame the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Many Ukrainian civilians died including children. • Witnessed torture and executions of civilians in Ukraine & Syria. • Witnessed a mass purge of field commanders by Wagner PMC in 2014-2015 in occupied Donbas. 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine • Was head of Russian military intelligence detachment tasked with capturing the SBU headquarters in Kyiv and assassinating key SBU employees at the onset of the Feb 2022 invasion. Entered Ukraine through Chernobyl. Three Ukrainian security service traitors from the Yanukovich era were attached to his unit. • Witnessed torture and executions of Ukrainian prisoners of war. • At the end of March 2022, was tasked with the execution of 5 Ukrainian civilians in Bucha. However, Salikov disobeyed the order and instead released the hostages. Russian military opened a criminal case against him for this act, but Salikov was able to flee and has been in hiding ever since, until arriving in the Netherlands to turn himself in to the ICC on December 18th 2023. • Already provided extensive testimony of Russian war crimes to Ukraine's Prosecutor General [confirmed] • Worked with Human rights defender Vladimir Osechkin for over 1 year after fleeing Russia to prepare & organize testimony to the ICC [confirmed]
Rather than watch some bullshit video I actually read the NYTimes piece. They found exactly one mentally handicapped guy who had been drafted and his lawyer got him out. There are 226 court cases involving guys they think were illegally mobilized. They are not in the army pending the resolution of those cases. And that's a big difference between russia and Ukraine. No one can report on what is happening in russia because anyone who tells the truth goes to jail. And if you get conscripted illegally, there is no legal recourse. Just to follow up a little on the differences between the two countries. UN and human rights groups have full access to all POW camps in Ukraine, and absolutely no access to POW camps in russia. Also no access to camps where thousands of Ukrainian civilians are being held, basically as hostages.
The number of court cases don’t represent an actual number of forced conscripts, those are just the people rich enough to pay a lawyer and ballsy enough to battle a corrupt regime in court. Part of the NYT piece outlines the economic disparity in who gets forced to fight and who doesn’t. Thanks for pointing it out further.
I wonder why you only point out problems with Ukraine and never with the #1 terrorist nation in the world, russia? Like how almost all of their conscripts come from the impoverished outer regions, mostly minorities? I don't get the sense that you really care about corruption or inequality.
I care about Americans being milked for taxes to support corrupt governments and money laundering by elites. Yes Russia is corrupt, but I don’t work a job to financially support their corruption. Ukraine is a different story.
This highly unusual for elected officials at any level to speak out against the war. They are starting to feel their losses finally.
I honestly don't think you understand how military budgets work...they'll blow the money up in the desert or dump old jeeps in the ocean to get new funding. Ukraine isn't changing the amount of tax dollars you spend on our military budget. I saw the profits of war first hand and we're as guilty as any country for profiting from war or conflicts just like contractors are making bank after cities and bridges are blown up...this has literally been happening everyday of your life and mine all over the planet and it has fuck all to do with nationalism. You can however choose to not pay taxes due to objections...you just won't build retirement benefits if you do. Choices. Sure it sucks but it always has and probably always will until people collectively decide to give up the tools of war and do something better with the money.
I don’t find anything factually wrong with your statements here. I do find it awful though how many people happily accept the facts you laid out as status quo, however. I don’t think holding people’s retirement or livelihood hostage to fund corruption is ok just because “that’s how it works.” Companies like Blackrock who are robbing younger generations of a future here at home are the same ones being contracted to rebuild Ukraine. Nobody has the balls to put two and two together. It’s the same rinse and repeat laundering schemes we see every time. Ukraine is a greatest hits album by the war profiteering elite.
