We give the Knicks an upgrade at guard (Fournier is dead weight to them), bad blood publicly. And they give us an upgrade at PF, while getting one that is a better shooter. We get a PF that can rebound.
Why do we want a win now upgrade at PF who has played as many or more games in the league than the two guys we're trading?!? Randle is the type of guy we should have been targeting while we still had Dame. Now we need to be targeting young talent that may or may not end up being better than Randle and picks. We really need to trade Jerami and Malcolm to whatever destinations need win now players the very most and leverage them for all of the pieces that will contribute to playoff wins in 3-6 years as we can possibly get. The good thing is that judging by the last couple of trade deadlines when Joe was still trying to sell the fan base on winning with Dame... he really understands the value of young assets and draft assets. I expect the trade deadline to result accordingly now that Joe no longer even has to put on the facade that we're trying to win now or even in the next couple of seasons.
To me, sending Brogdon to the Magic for one of WCJ, Bitazde, or Wagner and a 1st would be the best deal for us. Wagner isn’t going anywhere. But one of Bitazde or WCJ would be a great addition to the front court. WCJ has been injured, but he has two cheap years after this one. Bitazde can be re-signed this summer to be the backup C.
I’d start by making a list of teams with picks to trade (not encumbered). then eliminate the teams that aren’t on a contention timeline such that they’d be interested in brogdon vs a younger player. This narrows the focus quite a bit. Now of the remaining teams, try to figure out if any of them would use their limited draft capital on a guard vs a star or a 2way forward. OG was just dealt for one second. I think Brogdon could be super valuable to the right team but I think folks need to set their expectations about what the marketplace actually looks like for a guy like Brogdon.
a 20 protected 1st rdr with an expiring contract is likely a decent bet, LP protected may be a bit much for us
Randle is the same age as Grant, and most would consider him a modest upgrade. We could still trade Randle him at a later date, and probably get more interest than Grant. The Knicks might even throw in a lotto protected first, since Brogdon is much better than Fournier at this point. But trading Brogdon to a playoff team for another 1st would be boring. Half the guys taken in the 20s are out of the league in 5 years. We only have so many roster spots to develop all these rookies. So why not upgrade a starting position?
I really don't think Joe is looking to upgrade this roster for this season. So not only does this not make sense to me, I don't for a second think it's the direction that our front office is headed in. I guess we'll see.
We need to start thinking of filling position of need and stop worrying about draft picks. PG - scoot / ant Sg- Sharpe/ ant Sf - Camara / Sharpe PF- ????? Center- Ayton / Williams I don’t think we are that far away from getting back to playoffs with a couple of good trades
It all depends on Scoot. Maybe next year or maybe the year after. He needs to deserve it first. And if he improves like most of us think he will then I think Ant will be ok with it. All three will get over 30 minutes a game.
I am willing to bet you $100 that no matter how much Scoot improves, Ant will NEVER be ok with coming off the bench LOL. If Scoot improves, we have to try the three guard starting lineup. If it doesn’t work, we have to trade Ant. You can’t name a single player that has every averaged 28ppg before his prime that has ever agreed to come off the bench. Havlicek maybe? But that was also with eight teams in the league and like 60 years ago, and games started wasn’t even recorded yet.
I am not counting on a trade for an excellent PF. They seem hard to come by. But you never know. I do wonder if we draft a PF or a scoring SF. Whoever we draft needs to be better than Camara and Walker. I am encouraged by both and think either could be a starter if we find a dynamic scorer at the other forward spot.
Well since none of us know Ant personally we are all guessing. My guess is he is not the stupid, selfish, egotistical player you are both describing. To be clear I am talking next year or the year after and only if Scoot becomes so good that it is obvious to everyone that he needs to start. If the team is winning with Scoot / Sharpe starting and Ant coming off the bench why would he not be ok? He will still get his minutes and he will still get paid. Like I said the only way he would have a problem is if he is stupid, selfish, and egotistical. Does that sound like Ant? I don't think so. I guess there is a chance that Ant turns into an all-star PG and then maybe he would have an issue, but I don't think that will happen either.
Then what makes you think Sharpe will want to come off the bench? If Ant starts at PG, who starts at SG? Scoot is a PG.
ant’s improvement this year, at least in the sample thus far this season, has ruled out an ‘ant as 6th man’ scenario, imo. Volume, usage, stats are up—efficiency has held despite increased opponent defensive focus.
I’m not suggesting that he’s stupid, egotistical, or selfish at all. In fact, if you’ve seen my comments regarding Ant on this forum, you’d consider me an Ant apologist. So my guess is I actually know Ant better than you know me, despite the fact that you’ve interacted with me more than I have with Ant lol. Refusing to come off the bench is not only due to ego and being selfish. Look, if he’s willing to come off the bench, I’ll be happy I’m wrong, and I’ll be more than happy to give you the $100 I offered. I’m going to ask again, cause you’re probably at the age where you’ve seen way more basketball than I’ve been alive, what is the list of players in the top 10 in scoring in any given season that has been willing to come off the bench?
Sorry meant sg. Ant is in his 6th year, and prob feels? he's earned a starting position. Just because a guy wants to start doesn't mean he's stupid, selfish or egotistical. Personally id like them to trade him for a legit scoring 3 at some point. If both Scoot and Shae develop and become better fits and players they probably have the back court starting positions?
