How long of a leash should Chauncey have?

I've always believed that having a solid playbook with any NBA players you can play 500 ball at least. .....69 wins over two and a half seasons and Dame won most of those on his own. Yeah, you can buy a team or you can build a team and buy the best coach out there to get them winning. Choices. Shae, Scoot, Ayton, Grant, Ant, Tisse, Camara,Brogdan....that's enough talent to beat the Wizards eh? Explain that to me... If we were the Lakers or any big franchise we'd have a new coach already. I don't believe tanking is good basketball so don't use that excuse on me

 

and?

Do you think Brogdon who is 31 years old is a long term Blazer? or that Ayton is anywhere close to as good as SGA, now and in the future

SGA is the main component that elevates OKC so far above Portland. OKC got him from trading PG13; Blazers got nothing like SGA in the Dame trade

 

good point, but that makes the Dame trade even more depressing. I was kinda-sorta crediting Camara to the Dame trade because of the Grayson Allen factor. Mainly though I was thinking it's going to be a long time before Portland is a 2nd seed in the West 33 games into a season

 

in that case, I guess I missed your point

it seemed to me like you were saying that any negative comparison between the trajectories of OKC and Portland is invalid because OKC got started 2-3 years earlier.

my point was that SGA would monkey-wrench any comparison because the Blazers did not have the path to trade for a player like that

 

somehow winning games revolved into a talking point. Blazer fans have already been hammer stamped all season with "don't expect wins". What we did not expect was this team to get completely blasted, followed by fans receiving lectures to quit complaining after the beatings.

 

Seems like it’s too soon to judge given that Brogdon and Williams are both good trade prospects and the Sonics pick could yield value. That said, the time to have netted the best return for Dame was a couple of years ago.

 

"Debunked" lol.

 

Obviously the truth is more complicated. The talent has to mesh. The Warriors had pretty much exactly the same talent in Mark Jackson's last year and Steve Kerr's first. The Heatles didn't win in LeBron's first and last year in Miami, etc.
You can have an absurdly talented player who's a cancer. You can have a non-particularly-talented player who makes any team he's on better. I think people think Basketball is different from other sports. It's pretty clear how important coaches (managers) are in football (i.e. "soccer") - maybe the thought is in Basketball that because there are only 5 players on the court, the coach's influence is lessened? Also, it does depend on how much experience (and previous good coaching) your players have. You can have the most talented high school team in the world and it will probably lose to a really well-drilled college team with no future NBA players. The more-experienced less-talented players will know what the high school stars are trying to do, whereas the high school stars just don't understand yet how teams can beat individuals.
Essentially: the team is more important than the individuals. The 2004 Pistons had less talent by far than the Shaq-Kobe-Karl Malone-Gary Payton Lakers, but Larry Brown had made the Pistons into a unit. Some star players understand that, but it's pretty rare, as most star players have had teams built around them their whole lives and haven't had to think about the little things. What a coach has to do is get incredibly arrogant alphas to sublimate their egos for the whole. I mean, we've all seen how a player can look amazing on one team and then just not on another. If you're a super-duper star, sure, you'll be the alpha on every team and you won't have to change your game much, but look at, say, Chris Bosh. He had to completely re-invent his game to get the Heatles to work, and you can bet that took a lot of heart-to-hearts with the coaching staff.

 

Cronin goes out and finds NBA players. He stacks them in a lineup, then hands the keys to Coach Billups. I reckon this batch of players are not "Chauncey's type of guys", because right now, this team looks as rag-tag and unmotivated as some of the historically bad teams from League history.

 

I’ve noticed Billups teams like to start out the year playing good defense but then as the season goes on they lose interest

 

lol...this is his 3rd season as coach and nobody seems to really know what a Chauncey type of player is

 

I thought it was Josh hart

 

Very sad to see the lack of continuity. No matter as to what you think of Billups as a coach, he has lost this team.

 

No, you are VERY wrong. It’s about talent. “Any NBA Players”? No.

 

Who with any common sense about the game of basketball and the NBA, could not expect us to get completely blasted this season? I said 23 wins and a TON of ass whoopins!

 

I don't think we're getting to 23 this season. I think we'll trade away at least Jerami and Malcolm at the trade deadline but maybe also Ant for picks and prospects. I think at that point we'll be around 10 wins and I doubt we'll get many more than 6 more wins for the remainder of the season.

 

No argument on total wins as I was expecting 26 +/- this year. However, I did not expect to see the disconnect of focus the Blazers had tonight. There is a problem that goes far beyond talent and youth. Do I have the correct answer?... NO... but something is way off, especially considering we had, supposedly, at least two worthwhile vets on the floor the first three quarters and a coach that understands the "game".

 

Yeah when i predict wins, I never take injuries into account. Just look at the talent level and GUESS what they’ll do. Yeah 23 ain’t looking too good right now.