He averaging almost the same stats as Clint Capela lol. But I agree stats done tell the whole story as Ayton has more skills than Clint. new team, new scheme, new coach all reason Ayton hasn’t been as good as advertised but still lots of time to judge Ayton. Just call a spade a spade is my main issue here when it comes to criticism
can you explain why ayton needs to be traded, and why his contract matters at all? nurkic wasn't going to fit even medium term with this group...
I'm not sure but you might be conflating me saying that Ayton sucks at drawing fouls and getting to the line as me saying that Ayton just sucks overall. I haven't said that by the way. I think he's rather average as a C, and certainly overpaid. He has some strengths and he has some weaknesses; drawing shooting fouls is one of them. I probably believe that's a more important component of an NBA player's game than you do it didn't have to be FT rate. I could have used FT's/36 or FT's/100-possessions. I'll go to bbref and sort for FT's made per 36. That way Ayton will get a positive bump because of his 78% conversion rate and we can see where he stands: Joel Embiid 11.3 Luka Garza 7.8 Bam Adebayo 5.8 Kristaps Porziņģis 5.8 Anthony Davis 5.7 Jaren Jackson Jr. 5.7 Nikola Jokić 5.0 Victor Wembanyama 4.9 Myles Turner 4.6 Moritz Wagner 4.2 Marvin Bagley III 3.9 Mason Plumlee 3.7 Rudy Gobert 3.5 Domantas Sabonis 3.5 Isaiah Jackson 3.4 Andre Drummond 3.3 JaVale McGee 3.3 Day'Ron Sharpe 3.3 Jonas Valančiūnas 3.3 Mark Williams 3.3 Chimezie Metu 3.2 Dwight Powell 3.2 Harry Giles 3.2 Jarrett Allen 3.1 Chet Holmgren 3.1 Jusuf Nurkić 3.1 Zach Collins 2.7 Nick Richards 2.7 Jalen Smith 2.7 Cody Zeller 2.7 Clint Capela 2.6 Daniel Gafford 2.6 Wendell Carter Jr. 2.6 DeAndre Jordan 2.6 Drew Eubanks 2.5 Kelly Olynyk 2.5 Thomas Bryant 2.5 Sandro Mamukelashvili 2.5 Onyeka Okongwu 2.4 Ivica Zubac 2.4 Neemias Queta 2.4 Mo Bamba 2.3 Duop Reath 2.2 Robin Lopez 2.2 Orlando Robinson 2.2 Goga Bitadze 2.1 Isaiah Hartenstein 1.9 Luke Kornet 1.9 Jalen Duren 1.9 Naz Reid 1.8 Richaun Holmes 1.8 James Wiseman 1.8 Brook Lopez 1.7 Maxi Kleber 1.7 Jock Landale 1.7 Larry Nance Jr. 1.7 Jaxson Hayes 1.6 Kevon Looney 1.6 Jakob Poeltl 1.6 Mike Muscala 1.5 Paul Reed 1.4 Nikola Vučević 1.3 Deandre Ayton 1.3 Nathan Mensah 1.3 Walker Kessler 1.2 Bismack Biyombo 1.1 Mitchell Robinson 0.8 Ibou Badji 0.7 I don't see many notable C's keeping company with Ayton in the cellar. Kessler and Robinson are notable, but those guys are rim-protectors that almost never shoot. Brook Lopez takes half of his shots from three and those will rarely draw fouls I posted that initial FT Rate list as part of a discussion on Ayton, FT's, Przbilla, etc. I didn't just drag up the numbers on spec nor did I initiate the discussion; just participated Ayton would probably look better in a per36 rebound ranking. I could do that if you want
Ayton sucks at drawing fouls and getting to the line because he can't hold onto the ball in traffic, and every team knows it, so he rarely gets a chance to take it to the rim. Does Ayton have tiny Trump hands or what?
We got younger by getting Ayton. He has more talent/potential. May not work out long-term with the team and timeline, but I see a million reasons why we found him a valuable asset.
Yeah, his timeline should be fine. He hasn't even entered his prime yet at just 25. He has another solid 8 years.
If it could have been this latest attempted stat post before, why wasn't it? Some might say because you had an agenda and were posting the other stuff because you couldn't detect the flaw until someone with more objectivity pointed it out. I don't think anyone would think I'm conflating anything when you continue to move your goalposts with every post you make. Why would one continue to try to find different ways to say "I didn't say Ayton wasn't bad but I'm just going to give you random stats that show that Ayton's bad and say that I think the things Ayton is bad at are things that I subjectively think are valuable?" In other words, you don't have to say it. Your actions say it. This isn't about what I think about the value of drawing fouls compared to what you think. You made the statement that you think it's important in response to posts saying that's admittedly an Ayton shortcoming but not the be-all, end-all in measuring his value. Then you posted several stats trying to show everyone that Ayton was substandard in that area ... EXCEPT your metrics showed other top centers also were below the mean in that area. This is at least your third and maybe your fourth attempt to try to correct your own faulty correlation without just swallowing your pride and coming right out and saying so directly. Now, again, if you are saying I'm the one that's conflating and you aren't criticizing Ayton on the whole, I'm just wondering why you keep making so many attempts to prove a specious point about his play. In everyday parlance, I think this would be called "passive aggression." Now, back to your actual stats here ... this is the closest you've gotten in terms of actually proving a correlation between drawing fouls and quality of play. Most of the best Cs at least are near the top here. It's just amazing that a guy who says he wasn't trying to make the point that I think most people could see he was trying to make to nearly a half-dozen tries and several attempts "to not say something" to finally get close to saying it.
I'm just here for the "he doesn't work for the rebounds, they just fall into his hands" a la LaMarcus Aldridge comments.
DA was very good against the Bulls, and some of our friendly neighborhood Blazers fans are blaming Deandre for the loss.... lolol Blazer guards never ever have bad nights... ever. Never ever.
Deandre credits communication with his teammates is improving his play. Getting him the ball in better spaces.
Sounds as if he is willing to listen and to learn. Does it also sound like guys like Brogdon giving him better coaching than the guys who get paid for it?
I don't think it sounded like Brogdon's advice was necessarily better than the coaches', just that he was also helping. It seems to me that it needs to come from both. Ayton mentioned chemistry and he was right. All these different lineups affect it....and cause more turnovers.
