It’s amazing how the narrative complete does a 180 and the usual suspects jump on board with it wholeheartedly and will even try to gaslight you into thinking they were the ones correct the whole time, even though a short trip to the earlier pages of this thread tells a much different story. Its like some shit right out of 1984 the way people blindly champion any mainstream narrative, even if it’s detrimental to their own selves and country. The disinformation regarding Ukraine is of such low quality at this point that not even the “experts” the pro war liars are trying to trot out can stay on the same page anymore. It’s a money laundering shit show and now the best friends of the american boomer, Black Rock and JP Morgan, will be brought in to “rebuild” Ukraine with more stolen and unaccounted for money.
Not really. Just saying that @UKRAINEFAN has access to better and more accurate information. You guys are the ones that are always crying about fake news but you're sure eager to believe when the narrative swings your way. I haven't made any claims about the conflict that need to be backed up. But your beast buddy makes all kinds of blanket statements with absolutely nothing to back them up. At least the "fake media" makes an effort to try and look legit when making bold statements.
And that's a big problem in our society. People can't even learn from their prior mistakes. It's pitiful. Anyone can be duped by lies if they are getting bad information, but once you get lied to over and over, you should be able to say "Hey, wait a minute..." But instead they go along with a narrative shift, perhaps to absolve themselves without having to face the reality that they were duped. Once you break free of that spell, you see the lies everywhere. This is the way societies get fractured into different realties.
I don't know what to tell you buddy. You haven't been keeping up. Why are leaders of NATO nations in Europe now talking about the threat of having to take on Russia themselves, and how they are not prepared to do so, if Ukraine is winning? Why are the Ukrainains sending women and old men the front line, and abducting people off the street at gunpoint to send into combat, where they have a very short life expetancy? They are openly admitting that they are not taking back lost territory. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/26/ukraine-war-plan-biden-defense/
Dude, we're talking about the war in the Ukraine, NOT Trump's ignorant base. Though you did describe them (and him) to a tee. As you just said, "Anyone can be duped by lies if they are getting bad information, but once you get lied to over and over, you should be able to say "Hey, wait a minute..." But instead they go along with a narrative shift, perhaps to absolve themselves without having to face the reality that they were duped." Just because they (and you apparently) have bought into clearly false narratives doesn't mean the rest of us have. Your side has eagerly bought into one of the most egregious, bold faced lies ever foisted upon the American people, and now you prance around as an arbiter of truth. My big mistake is responding to such a divorce from reality......
Why? Because he has the word Ukraine in his username, or is Ukrainian? He posts the same one sided sources as the rest of you.
Why are you so deeply affected by Trump, and unable to hold a conversation without it somehow meandering back to him? Why do the people who NEVER shutup about him always point the finger at others and accuse them of it? This entire forum is a stack of Trump threads disguised as other topics, started by liberals who accuse others of being obsessed with Trump. Nobody brought him up here but you. Your only arguments this far have been “you love putin” and “you love trump”. Put the remote down dude, step away from the MSNBC. It causes brain damage.
If you can't see the irony (and outright hypocrisy) in Beast's statement (which I highlighted) then I don't know what to tell you. It's all of a piece. He accuses us of falling for "lies" while supporting one of the biggest (and most damaging) lies in American history. Let's be real, "lies" depend on which side you take. The only difference between you, me and Beast is the side we choose to take. And if you can't see the danger Trump and his minions present to America, then you deserve the America you get. I'm old enough that it won't much matter to me. But your generation and those that follow are going to be so very much more fucked than you think you are today....
The only problem is your sensational cries of “biggest and most damaging lie in American history!!!” have produced zero tangible fruit while there are millions of corpses stacked up in Ukraine and the Middle East. Sorry for not buying your spooky Trump fiction. Your tax dollars send young men to die and drop bombs on elementary schools and hospitals in the desert. The only difference between you and I is one of us accepts it for what it is and the other wreaths like an injured snake trying to justify it.
Being on the defensive is not always bad. Ukraine is actually winning in a war of attrition. russia is making a strategic mistake by staying on the offensive against heavily defended positions and as a result lose three times as many soldiers and about 7 times as much equipment as Ukraine every week. They do this because their corrupt president wants to be able to say that they took some small village to help boost his election numbers. Ukraine is starting a new mobilization that will provide plenty of troops and they plan to actually give them sufficient training before they send them into battle, unlike the russians. As for ammo, are they really as low as they say? How did Ukraine destroy 170 russian artillery systems in a recent three day period? It's not easy to destroy artillery with drones. Ukraine is still winning the battle of wills, The people defending their country against terroristic invaders will always have the advantage. And now that russia has used up most of their available prison population, normal russians are now starting to die, and even though russians leave many on the battlefield, eventually their bodies get back to russia. The protest movement by mobilized wives and mothers is slowly growing and Putin is afraid to suppress them. People queue in very long lines to sign documents so the antiwar candidate can run for president. There have been hundreds of attacks on draft offices and railway relay stations within russia. Third. Logistics. russia wastes their drones and missiles attacking civilian targets, hoping to demoralize the population but it only makes them angrier and more determined to keep fighting. Meanwhile Ukraine is always attacking supply depots, ammo dumps, anti-air units and now reaching into russia for defense plants and oil refineries. They are developing and now manufacturing their own large drones and rockets, Over the long run this will lead to victory I get my information from about fifty different sources, including russian sources on Telegram. I watch hundred of videos every week of russian equipment graveyards. I follow a guy who verifies every russian and Ukrainian equipment loss with photos. Let's also remind that since the first couple weeks of the war, russia has given up huge amounts of territory that they once took: Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson regions. Ukraine lost only a couple square kilometers around Bakmut in the same time period. Ukraine, without a navy, has destroyed a good portion of russia's famed Black Sea Fleet and driven the russian navy to hide in the eastern part of the Sea. I got a question for you. Why are you rooting for the russians? What is your background?
Trump involved us in zero new conflicts while the aviator-sporting baked potato that currently haunts the white house has gotten us into 3 and counting. Based on body count, the current administration is definitely “better” lol. Based on scary sounding hypotheticals that never manifest but nonetheless make deranged liberals shit down their leg, yeah i guess Trump is “worse”.
You can't help but bring Trump into this? This is a sign of how deluded you are. You have TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome. You see everything as this conflict against Trump, and wrap your opinions around every issue on that basis.
As long as the establishment supporters are entertained throwing windmill punches at their orange carrot on a stick they will let most other things slide like war, genocide, money laundering, the housing market being monopolized by the same companies profiting off the wars they cheerlead, no future for the next generations besides financial indentured servitude, crippling inflation, etc. All those things will work themselves out if they just land one punch.
Ah....finally the generational victim card gets played. All the shit that's been going on since America was founded and now it's all the Boomer's (and Democrats) faults. I can't help but think that that resentment is what's fueling your (and Beast's) anger and cynicism. You don't think we had to deal with all of that crap??? I'm not letting anything slide. It was the Donald Trumps and his ilk of this world that got us where we are today. And why I am so adamant he (and those like him) has to be stopped. If you think things are actually going to improve under a conservative regime, you should probably lay off the Speed Goat......
I suppose I could point out (based on your almost rabid take) that's you have UDS.....Ukraine Derangement Syndrome. See how that works?
Wait a minute, I thought your position was that Russia was entirely peace-loving and was merely setting free territories that desperately wanted to join Russia? I guess the rest of Europe is also comprised of territories that want to join Russia. barfo
This is like fucking someone's wife, and they come after you and try to kill you, and only focusing on how they are trying to kill you. You can argue murder isn't justified, people should be able to fuck whoever they want. Both of those things are true, but you can also refrain from or stop fucking their wife. Now I'm going to hire some teenage dweebs to protect me, and they're going to die. But that's ok, I'll keep hiring more, I have a right to defend myself. This is like what's going on in Ukraine. Only this sort of thing can also escalate to nuclear war, just like the shit we're doing in the Middle East.
