What if we trade nobody?

Agreed. But Im not sure Ive seen anyone advocating and being in Group 1

Also, for me - the value if any '24 pick has to be severely discounted because 1) Portland already has 4 picks in this draft, and 2) this draft is weak in talent

 

Why does it have to be a '24 pick?

 

Great, tell that to the people arguing that this group exists.

 

Loads of people? I’m not pointing my finger at you, friend.

 

Who is crazy enough to be in the group in bold?

I have said I'm going to be pissed if we still have Malcolm or Jerami after this deadline because I just don't think they make sense for our team and I'm almost positive there are teams out there who would give up fair market value for them. If there wasn't a fair deal we don't have to trade either of them, I just think there will be fair deals out there. I do think that Malcolm creates less playing time for Scoot and Shaedon (once healthy), I also think Jerami creates less usage for these developing players. The other thing I think these two guys do is win some games and at this point we just don't need wins, we actually need losses. We definitely don't need to be blown out and we definitely want our young guys grinding but wins are counterproductive.

 

If the trade offer is a couple send rounders, keep him. I wouldn't dump him for garbage. But if the offers are on par with what he was worth last summer, I'd probably take it.

 

I know, right?

come forward, people. Claim your terrible take.

 

I am closer to group 2, but it still does not describe my view exactly. Yes, I think Malcolm should be moved now if we get a 1st or a young player. For example, I would take Precious instead of a 1st from NY (16 rebounds and 4 steals the other night against the Pacers)

However, if there were no 1st round offers, then yeah I would keep him. No reason to dump him if the offers are not there. But I don't think it would cut into Scoot's minutes as much as it would cut into Malcolm and Thybulle's minutes. Scoot will get his 30 minutes as long as he keeps playing well.

 

Wait.... isn't that what multiple people have been trying to debate me over?

That his value to the team is worth more than his current value of a first round pick?

 

Agreed. Some THINK this group exists.

No one said it had to be '24. Im guessing that is what is being offered.

All Im saying is that all things being equal, that a 24 pick has significantly less value than a future pick.

So here's your chance. What is a fair deal?

 

There's only two groups from what I have seen.

People who think his value is worth more than a first round pick in this draft.

People who think we should take the first round pick but not if there's nothing out there that's fair value.

I haven't seen anyone say we should dump him for nothing.

 

Isn’t implying “if we do nothing”, one will be pissed the same as “if we don’t trade him no matter what”, one will be pissed???

people backtracking around here….

 

I'd take the first rounder. Even if it's in this draft. Maybe there's someone we really like and we want to move up. Or someone we can stash. Like Rupert.

 

Bullshit. Who has said we should trade him for literally anything?

 

Did you not imply we need to trade him now and I’ve countered we don’t and we can trade him in the off season or next season?

so then wouldn’t it be fair to assume you think by next season he will have potentially massively diminished in value? So you saying my opinion we can keep him until next season with little risk, is saying my opinion will potentially massively diminish his value by next season?
If so, then I disagree and don’t really quote you incorrectly.

please correct me if I’m wrong. That’s how I read it.

 

That is not what I said. I asked a question.

what is the difference between saying if we do nothing this offseason one will be pissed(when speaking of Brogdon, because he has been the center of the debate)
And saying we need to trade him period, or I will be pissed. One is doing nothing and the other is avoiding doing something.

Many people have said if we don’t do anything this trade deadline, they will be pissed.

 

okay. Now we are getting somewhere. I agree with this. Except I would want more than just. Middle to late first is all. So we are closer to agreeing than it has seemed.

seems the cut off line of acceptable return is slightly different is all.

 

For Malcolm I think it's a future first rounder with little to no protection and expirings, more if we take on bad contracts. For Jerami I'd expect twice as much. Obviously if it's young prospects instead or in combination with that level of draft compensation that would work too.

 

I was responding to your comment "people backtracking around here.

Because if the offers are total shit, then you have to wait until the summer to see what you can get. I have been saying in our debate that if the value is the same as it was last summer for him, that's a pretty established baseline, but if the offers are not even a first rounder, you should hold onto him.

 

Blazers aren't letting Grant go for 2 first rounders.