Politics Please say rock bottom is getting close

So, @AmirIcon, my civil rights are nothing more than who someone fucks and bathrooms? Are you in the least aware how fucking insulting that is?

 

You seem to have questions and arguments mixed up.

No offense but I wouldn't trust you to fix anything.

Well, bad politicians, yes. Not even all Republicans did this. If you seriously believe that politicians are by nature irredeemable then why vote at all?

By "voters" you mean the MAGA base, right? Because "the voters" actually have rejected him twice. There are worse things than losing (as everybody who works for Trump finds out).

No it isn't. Not even by your reasoning (insofar as it makes sense - which is admittedly not far).

 

As far as I can tell, that is by design.

 

My point is some people don't feel like they have anything to lose and no amount of scolding is going to change that. That playbook simply doesn't work and it's playing the clock, and not playing the win. Even now, Biden thinks young people have no choice but to vote for him instead of changing his policies for the better.

It offers a new hope. There's little hope right now. And I'm a student of history, things usually get much worse and fall much shorter than the hope was shooting for.

As someone who acknowledges that it would end up likely making things worse, at least in the short term, I honestly don't have much hope for this country.

I agree that there will always be corruption, but this is unprecedented. If you would have told people the richest nation in the history of man wouldn't offer affordable healthcare or education to it's people, you would have been laughed out of the room. In every major measurement, American is thoroughly underperforming and failing.

 

Okay, what should we do about it?

 

Of course it's more than that. Is what I said more insulting than Pelosi showing up in Kente cloth rather than offering actual policy to protect the civil rights of African-Americans in this country? Performative justice is insulting.

 

Okay.

Okay.

The argument the left keeps putting forth is "lesser of two evil evils." You don't know that?

Yes, obviously. I would agree, but I have dignity. Most of those suits don't.

If the Dems lose to Trump it means they don't suck but we should also recognize the importance of voting? Seems like you want people to vote to avoid Trump but also fuck them because they're terrible? Do I have that right? Blame everyone but the Democratic party themselves. ThatI'll go over well...

 

The well of information being poisoned by corporations hasn't helped. We all know Fox is garbage, but CNN and MSNBC are pretty bad and problematic as well. How are we to expect people be informed when they're busy trying to support their families and make ends meet?

 

Yep. That is also by design.

 

So it's OK to trivialize women and LGBTQ rights because Nancy Pelosi.

 

Here's a good description of the epitome of modern Republican politicians:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/magazine/mark-meadows-trump-prosecution.html

 

What is the value of voting? We want Democracy because the alternatives are worse, and it's (supposedly) a check on autocracy. But if people vote for autocrats, then it isn't.

Voting should be like serving on a jury. The point is not just to say whatever you feel - "I don't like that guy's face/he looks gay/he's a minority, so I vote guilty! I don't have to consider the evidence because I'm entitled to my opinion!" - the point is to take seriously your civic duty and give the vote that is CORRECT.

Now, I guess it's possible that MAGAheads are so addled that they genuinely believe they're doing that, but excusing them for claiming that TRUMP, with all we know about him, would be a good leader (or even that he's a good Christian), is like someone genuinely defending themselves from murder by saying "sure I know that guns kill, and that this gun had bullets in it, but I sincerely believed that it wouldn't kill!"

It's interesting that people like Aristotle and Plato, who lived in the original democracy of Athens were harshly critical of it exactly because the masses are so easily swayed by persuasive psychopaths.

[Spouts gibberish] "do I have that right?"

I'll blame the Democratic party for all kinds of things, but Republicans voting for a candidate who's objectively worse for them and for the country than the Democratic alternative is not one of them.

 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...n=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web

This is rich. A Canadian family of eight decided to leave Canada because the gays have rights and move to a Christian country, Russia. Two friendly Russian officials told them they would get help resettling and be given a farm to work.

They sold all they had and raised money on social media. When they arrived all their assets were confiscated because they exceeded maximum amount of money that can be brought into Russia. The farm never materialized and helpful officials disappeared. They are trying to get their money back but never bothered to learn Russian and banks don't have English speaking officers. They can't get jobs because they don't speak Russian. So they are penniless immigrants who don't speak the language wanting government handout. They also learned Russia is a very poor country and most homes lack such niceties as indoor plumbing.

They want to return, apparently putting up with the gays to have flush toilets, but to leave they have to post a bond and they have no money.

Local newspaper interviewed the wife, expecting she would praise the godly country but she described unhappiness. Christian Russia, unlike godless Canada, died not have free speech and her husband, not wanting to fall out a window, hastily explained his wife had mis-spoken.
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Agreed.

You think your vote is correct. They think their vote is correct. Whatever shall you do? That's why it's an individual's right to vote. It sounds like you're advocating for the same thing Republican's do which is my way or the highway. Or don't let them vote at all because I don't agree.

I think putting it squarely on them is unfair. Are there some racists and bigots in the mix, absolutely. Are there people who are stuck in the information bubble that is Fox News? Yes. We have a deficit of information and also, how many people can really follow along when they're trying to take care of their families and make ends meet?

As I thought, you can't address the point.

You don't blame the Democratic party for losing to a brain dead psychopath that you think is such an awful candidate? Sounds like you should re-assess many things in your life then. How about if the Democratic party actually offered a platform people could get behind. As Biden even told us what he's going to do in his second term? No, he hasn't. Expecting people to pick you by default is exactly why the Democratic party is so trash. You do know that the largest voting block in America is the block that doesn't vote, right? You're welcome to be a shill of the Democratic party, but you don't need to talk to me about it.

 

He literally won because of the youth vote as well as the AA women. He hasn't even put forth what he wants to accomplish in his second term. At some point the party has to take responsibility rather than point to the other side and keep saying this is the most important election of our lifetimes. It might be, but the same old trick is tired and it has fallen on deaf ears. Maybe he should have done better on trying to accomplish is agenda.

It all depends where you're coming. I wouldn't expect an out of touch guy like Bill Maher to speak on the issues that are plaguing the American people. I don't know your demo and what's going on in your life. You might be very content. Things might be working out well, especially if you're older. I know those under 40 are very dissatisfied with the current state of the country and have lost hope. I can't say I blame them.

 

You have to give people hope. If you don't offer it, people lose the vision and will no longer follow. It's on both parties to show them that path. Talking down to voters and saying they have no morals to get them to vote for you isn't going to get it done.