Bust a Scoot?

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  1. Ed O

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    I know it doesn't matter, but I am not concerned about Scoot at all. I wish he were battling for RotY. I would prefer him to be playing well while hurt. I would like it if he had been healthy all year.

    The extremes (Oden-like missing of a year, or ... a full year of healthy but playing like crap) would be way worse to me than what we've seen which is flashes of greatness, inefficient shooting, and too many injuries for our liking.

    He's still only 20 and I'm still looking forward to him kicking butt as a Blazer well into the future.
     
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    If we hadn't seen any flashes of brilliance by now then I'd get the bust talk but the guy has had a ton of brilliant moments... just not a ton of consistency and the one time this season he started to show consistency he went down with an injury that kept him out for three weeks and came back inconsistent again.

    I think it's still very safe to say that Scoot is incredibly talented and by every account I've seen he has a great attitude. So I expect his game to get better by a lot over the next season or few seasons. Maybe that will have him at a level where he's a role player, either an average starter or sixth man type or maybe that has him as an all star but the talent and attitude that he has displayed makes me feel pretty sure that Scoot won't be out of the league in a few years barring serious injury and that's what a real bust is.

    Ask Anthony Bennett
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    I just want to give mad props to whichever mod changed the title of the thread.

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    Ed? Is the O for Optimistic now? Please direct me to footage of these "flashes of greatness" - I guess I missed them.
     
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    Here's an optimistic comparison for Scoot: Jalen Suggs, only without the defense.
     
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    Yes he is. We knew this drafting him.
     
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    You’re out of your god damn mind.
     
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    I’ll let it play out and i was one of the biggest proponents of drafting him.

    I’m just really hoping he’s much closer to Jason Kidd than Emmanuel Mudiay.
     
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    Big bro his stock has taken a major nose dive. Pritchard is that good. First off scoot will never ever shoot as good as Pritchard will. The rest we can say is debatable. But it’s not that easy as a pick
     
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    Six games. Woopadeedooooooo!
     
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    My concern with Scoot is his ability to stay healthy. Dame was an iron man for most of his career. Scoot missed time last year in the G League and he has missed time twice this season. I think it's something to keep an eye on.
     
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    Whoever thinks/thought Scoot could shoot as well as Pritchard doesnt’ understand this game bro…..
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    You are comparing a player who played almost 120 college games and is 26 years old to a 20 year old who had less than TWENTY…..20 G-League games. Quite sure Scoot would get Scooped up first my guy. Keep sending the hate his way though.
     
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    And we better keep looking at Banton also.
     
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    yeah, 6 games is a crazy-small sample size to look at....BUT...looking at their 'full' seasons to this point:

    FG%: Amen .539....Scoot .372
    3ptFG%: Amen ..157....Scoot ..295
    2ptFG%: Amen .611....Scoot .409
    FT%: Amen .664....Scoot .822

    eFG%: Amen .551....Scoot .420
    TS%: Amen .577....Scoot .477
    FG% at Rim: Amen .739....Scoot .491
    points/shot: Amen 1.32....Scoot 1.07

    PER: Amen 17.5....Scoot 8.6
    FT Rate: Amen .333....Scoot .283
    Reb Rate: Amen 15.4%....Scoot 6.4%
    Assist Rate: Amen 16.1%....Scoot 27.0%
    Turnover Rate: Amen 15.8%....Scoot 18.5%
    Winshares/48: Amen +.139....Scoot -.051
    BPM: Amen +1.7....Scoot -6.6
    VORP: Amen +0.9....Scoot -1.5

    while it's not a clean sweep across the board for Amen, it's pretty close.

    Amen has demonstrated the flaw(s) we pretty much knew about and that's shooting touch. He's been terrible at shooting three's and his FT's needs a lot of work. But for a rookie, even with those flaws, he has posted pretty good shooting efficiency: 53.9% FG's; 61.1% 2ptFG's; 55.1% efG and a 57.7% TS. And he absolutely crushes Scoot in FG% at the rim; a 73.9% conversion rate is excellent for a wing, especially considering that's where he takes half of his shots

    Amen's PER would rank 2nd on the Blazers behind Ayton. His rebound rate of 15.4% is quite solid...better than Josh Hart last season. AND, he's showing the defensive ability that was predicted as his strength. He leads Houston in DBPM at +2.6; and his defensive rating is 5.7 points better than his team. That's exceptional for a wing. Meanwhile Scoot ranks 13th on the Blazers in DBPM among 'rotational' players, only ahead of Simons. And his defensive rating is 3.5 points worse that the team

    Amen's defense might become even more valuable if the NBA follows thru on the intention of giving more leeway to defense

    I was actually surprised to see Amen's marks. I guess I assumed he was still struggling like he did his first month or so. Other than his 3p and FT shooting, I think Amen is posting really good marks for a rookie. If I was a Houston fan I'd be really happy with him

    I still hold out hope for Scoot but I will admit I have a hell of a lot more doubts about him than I did 4 months ago
     
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    When did he turn it around? Because his numbers were absolute dog water for the first couple months.

    Also, Scoot has missed two huge chunks of playing time. Didn't Amen only miss one chunk of time?
     
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    yeah...I remember that he started off looking terrible; and it was more than a handful of games. He really didn't turn it around till mid-January (reading game logs) but once he did, he's been really good

    he played 4 games, then missed 19; has played every game since. His shooting efficiency in March has been great

    the gaps between Amen and Scoot are probably too big to be excused by 2 injuries vs 1 but I'd imagine that's part of it. Problem with that excuse is they both have played 49 games

    like I said, I'm still holding out hope for Scoot, but the vessel I'm holding it in has sprung some leaks
     
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    Scoot's very early season showed me he was expecting better teammates and more respect from the refs, but had neither. The rest of the season has been about either learning or re-learning the basics to go underneath all the cool hot dogging. I see a lot of Jason Williams in his game, and I hope that, without as much of the garbage that J-Will was carrying around in his brain, Scoot will far surpass him.
     
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    This thread was made in the person. The obvious flaws have been there from the start. I think scoot is our emmanuel mudiay at this point. In fact if you compare rookie seasons the stats look very similarm He does nothing good and is injury prone. I don't blame us for this pick though literally everyone had him at 2 or 3. Right now I would say trade him if we can while he still has value. If not just think of him as the 40th pick in the draft and expect nothing out of him. Dr
     
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    The only reason why I bring it up is because I thought scoot was playing pretty well before the all star break and then he got hurt. Not sure how much the injury is still affecting him. I would think the two injuries could really have an impact on the progress he was making.
     

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