Bust a Scoot?

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  1. e_blazer

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    Finishing is connected to making wise decisions about when to drive vs. pull up or dish. Scoot's still learning.
     
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    It took Dame a season or two to figure out how to either score or get the foul call on his drives. OTOH, Dame's drives were a lot cleaner and not into triple coverage every damn time.
     
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    His actual jump shot has improved immensely. Someone has been working with him is my guess.
    Look at some video of him shooting 3s in October as opposed to now.
     
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    might not be that simple and Scoot's October is a very low bar. His 3ptFG% has 'improved' over G-League, but it's been pretty inconsistent, month-to-month, all season:

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    a 31.7% 3pt conversion rate is probably right around where the expectations would have set it...maybe a bit higher than expected based upon GLeague. But there is no real predictive trend-line.

    problem is his 2ptFG% is a lot worse than his GLeague mark, and so is his FG% and TS%. He shot 46.5% on two's last season in 19 games, and 47.7% when you add his 17 showcase cup games; but just 41.7% this season. He shot 44.1% on FG's in those 36 g-league games but 38.5% this year. And he had a .537 TS% mark in g-league regular season and a .580 TS% in showcase cup; but has a .488 TS mark this season

    Obviously, the competition levels were wildly different, and scouting is much better in the NBA, but that he is so far below his g-league marks this year is a bit concerning. This isn't minor variance
     
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    I don't think this is the case - voters now are more sophisticated than 20 years ago when the first and primary stat people looked at was PPG.

    Scoot has been very disappointing from a national perspective and I'd expect voters don't want to "reward" him for hoisting a lot of shots in a very inefficient manor for a horrible team.
     
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    I don't even think that's it. If the guy could finish left handed his shooting would go up :lol:
     
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    If only we could amputate his left hand and replace it with a second right one.
     
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    he's not going to be able to finish left-handed until he can dribble-drive with his left hand; and he can't do that at all at this point in time. The off-season will reveal a lot about Scoot next year
     
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    Dude he’s nowhere near the rookie ladder. Hes far from ever being on the rookie teams lol
     
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    lol?



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    I guess we'll see where he ends up in the voting but while everyone looks at advanced metrics much closer now, when evaluating rookies I think raw production can be a big deal to the media. Scoot was on the Rising Stars team and I won't be shocked if he gets left off of both all rookie first and second teams but I won't be shocked if he's on one either.
     
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    Henderson was on the rookie Rising Stars team, and he sprained a core muscle after getting bumped and hitting the deck hard during a reverse layup.
    No more Rookie team exemplars,
    Blazer ball only
     
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    On the surface, this is a 20 yr old averaging 18 points and 10 assists a game on 43/36/83 shooting splits in 36mpg this month.

    The 5+ turnovers notwithstanding, this is good.

    The assist number is especially awesome considering the only offensive threat he has next to him is Ayton.
     
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    Think of it as him averaging possibly 15 assists per game (a third of them for the other team, but still).
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Over an 8 season span (12-13 through 19-20), Bledsoe averaged 16 & 5 with a PER of 19. That's not a bad comp. Certainly not the all-star we hope for him to become, but still an above-average starting PG (which would be a big leap from what he has been so far).
     
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    No.
    I said his Jump shot.
    Not his stats.
    Look at the shot. Placement of his hands, ball, pocket, gather, release. Both on his catch and shoot and his shot off the dribble.

    You can't put a stat on everything.
     
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    Yeah it's not a bad comp. The thing that hurt Bledsoe was injuries at the Clippers and Phoenix which hampered his effectiveness. He was All defensive team in Milwaukee two years running.
     
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    you're talking about form? seems pretty subjective but ok

    I was gauging by results

    he's certainly been better over the last 9-10 games; fallen off a little over the last 5 but still quite a bit better than his season marks. He was a bricklayer when he first came back from his last injury. Hie three point shot has been significantly better for sure

    but here's the thing I notice when looking at his progression thru the last 17-18 game logs: He was a bricklayer when he was playing with Simons. About the same time that Simons went to the infirmary, Scoot started to shoot better. Those two just don't play well together.

    still, there's enough variance and inconsistency in his shooting I'm not sure breaking it down and cherry-picking the best sample of his shooting numbers is predictive. What is more concerning, to me at least, is that he has consistently been a turnover machine. In his last 10 games, when he shot so well, he had 81 assists and 53 turnovers. A 1.53 assist/turnover ratio when his season mark was 1.58. No progression in that critical phase of his game.

    his conversion rate at the rim is still poor, but I think everybody has concluded he dramatically needs to improve his left handle. He is a fiddler crab at this point in his career
     
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    Scoot reminds me of Baron Davis not only in size but shooting. Davis I believe made a couple all star games.
     
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