Except hes 6th in the pecking order when you count PG/SG/SF and might be 7th if the Blazrrs draft a wing. 8th if they want to play Grant at some 3. And that money is something when you're $8M over the tax with a rebuilding team.
Safe to say we won’t get the pieces, and will not compete for a title. I just want to see us win 42 again lol
I don't think we're keeping him. This is asset stockpiling. Even if we only get a second rounder for him, it's still better than letting him walk for nothing.
So we're gonna trade him for matching salary and still be in the tax? What do you expect to get out of him while simultaneously dumping his money for little to nothing in return to duck the tax?
Lol, yes that's right. How can you make an accurate judgement when you don't have all the information? You might be able to at the surface-level, but don't get defensive when others point out the flaw. Making a judgement about player performance, team or coach performance, that's totally different. You have all the evidence available to you and are entitled to your own analysis.
The secret knowledge is that forums like this (and perhaps the internet in general) are anxiety machines that do nothing but make the experience worse by focusing on things we have no control over.
Would it be bad if we did keep him? He's a great locker room guy. He can play multiple positions in a pinch. Why do we care what his hit is on the cap? We're not going out and signing anyone big in free agency. What's the negative here?
I dunno, Thybulle feels too much like Ime Udoka to me; sure he’s all the things you mention but why do we need that guy, when that guy is the cherry on a cupcake and we need flour more than a cherry?
Right now it seems like Joe is just stacking up all his ingredients on the counter trying to figure out what recipe he can make. We have some win now guys: Simons Ayton Grant Brogdon Timelord Thybulle We have some young potential stars: Scoot Sharpe We have some young role players: Walker Camara Murray We have some young projects: Rupert Badji Maybe we turn some of those win now guys into another piece? Maybe our draft pick this year ends up being really good? There's so many unknowns right now. Maybe there is some combination of young and old that could surprise the league next year? I have no idea, but at this point, I only want to see how it all plays out. I'm really curious what we do this summer.
I don't care about 42 wins. I want 52+. This season sucked, but it would have been worse if we won more games and finished outside of the playoffs but with, like, the 10th pick. Or if we somehow won a play-in game or two and ended up with the 15th pick (having to send it to Chicago) while getting our butts kicked in the playoffs. We need to get worse--or, rather, stay bad, since we can't get much worse--in order to add more pieces to make up for the fact that this franchise hasn't added much of anyone other than Ant, Scoot, and Sharpe in the last decade. (Crap. I was using "last decade" as hyperbole, but... I left McCollum in there to show/remind us that we got no one in 2014. While I know this list is not perfect (it doesn't include Collins, and includes guys that we traded on draft night... hat a load of hot garbage we've drafted (not as human beings. I'm sure they are nice people. But they're not good NBA players) We need to use draft picks. We need time to get better. We can't keep RoCoing and Nanceing and Granting in an effort to get good. It hasn't and won't work. And we can't look at our roster, IMO, and think it's good enough to mature into a team that will be a title contender.
OK. Glad you have it all figured out. How many rookies do you think the team can develop at one time?
You use the term rotational player very generously here. As Ed said, he wasn't in Philly rotation last year, he got DNPs. He's not young with upside. He fell out of the rotation of a 21 win last in conference team. By that metric Camara is probably a "starter".
Pyaing $11M to someone who isn't a young player yet shouldn't be in the rotation next year when we're apx. $8M in the tax in the middle of a rebuild with a cheap owner doesn't add up to me. The negative is that we're apx. $8M into the tax with a cheap owner in the middle of a rebuild, this limiting the ability to accumulate assets (like many rebuilding teams have successfully done) and will likely result in a sub-par cost-cutting move.
Of course, we need more pieces, but a couple of years more of sucking so embarrassingly bad to get a small chance of landing a "difference maker" does not sound too appealing. How did you answer in the thread "How much of the season did you watch? Your answer was.......... "I don't think I've watched even one since the trade deadline." And you want two more years of that for a CHANCE to win the lottery? Tell that to the season ticket holders.
Well I agree with your types of moves the team should make. But I agree with others the Blazers should try to "compete". I don't mean trying to overpay vets long term or trade picks for vets. I just think this team should aim to try and win games for a whole season. Not these 3-20 types stretches after the all-star break the last 3 years. We don't need to have starting lineups with multiple scrubs that may be oversees in the off-season. Even doing all of that we'll still be losing a ton and getting high lottery picks.
Considering what Dallas did with our castoff Derrick Jones Jr., I have confidence that another team would love to have Matisse, particularly given his improved three point shooting.
If the Blazers had MLE space they could absorb salary with an asset or for a player. Or sign a player. Or not give up an asset to dodge the tax. Adding an asset and talent is the only thing this team can do to improve. No Thybulle isn't the end all he all, but if he's wasting money it's wasting possible talent and eventually wins, even if its just a smaller part. Your argument makes zero sense.
