Anfernee Simons trade destinations

since Ant isn't a great asset, it's pretty unlikely his trade value is that of great asset. Ant is like a lot of NBA players: he does a couple of things well and does a couple of things poorly. He's an average player and average players don't normally get traded for great returns. Often it's for another average player that fits better; or for some salary relief and draft asset(s)

 

Yeah, SA prob wouldn't go for it but if we could get either Sochan or Chapagnie and some? Graham was in the deal to make salaries work.

 

I don't completely agree with this. Ant is very athletic and has shown the ability to make clutch shots. Last year he shot above 38% on threes at almost 9 attempts/game. A team looking for outside shooting from a player with some ability to distribute and not be totally embarrassing on defense could want him. I do agree his higher contract subtracts from his value.

 

After Ant gets traded, when do we start speculating where Sharpe will be traded?

 

next offseason, I imagine.

 

Yep, we are a junior training ground for NBA players. GPlus team.

 

I'm not sure what you aren't agreeing with...?

I basically said Ant is an average player who does some things well and other things poorly, and that would control his trade value. I can certainly make a strong statistical case for Ant being average

 

Given that we want Ant traded to free up the SG spot for Shaedon, I'm curious to know what player is making us want to trade Sharpe in this scenario.

 

We were good letting Wes go to make room for CJ, before we wanted to trade CJ to make room for Ant, whom we are not wanting to trade to make room for Sharpe.

I'm noticing a pattern.

 

But you're not answering the question.

 

c'mon now....that's a context-free revision of reality

we know that Olshey was always all-in on CJ. Wesley's Achilles injury was an excuse for Olshey to do what he really wanted to do and that was construct a roster that forced Stotts to start CJ by default. The only person who wanted Matthews gone to make room for CJ was Olshey; there was no "we"

next, I don't know of anyone who wanted CJ traded to make room for Ant. People wanted CJ traded because he was an undersized no-defense SG with over-dribbling and hooplock habits, and they wanted to make room for a bigger 2-way SG who had the ability to slide into wing roles, especially on defense. That sure as shit wasn't Ant

the real connection between CJ and Ant that make people wanting Ant traded is that 9 straight long fucking seasons starting an undersized, no-defense SG with no 2-way skills, no wing abilities, and no 3&D talent is at least 8 years too long

 

Matthews never looked the same after his injury, yet he wanted a bigger role. Too bad about that.

As for CJ and Ant, both need to come off the bench. Both are a little overpaid for that role, but in both instances, solid shooting off the bench has a lot of value. Especially when those shooters can create their own shot like CJ and Ant can.

 

Ant is a PG. You are what you can guard — or not guard very well. He’s run the O enough to say he’s a combo guard, or scoring PG. He’s a 1.

Ideally, he’s awesome to have off the bench as a microwave and eater of starter level minutes, but he’s too young to accept just being 6th man of the year when he’s a starter in the League and barely in his prime. He’s too young for that with goals of his own.

Ant doesn’t HAVE to be traded until next summer heading into his final year of contract. And Scoot doesn’t NEED a runway. It’s also asset mismanagement to have them playing together for 16 minutes per game in the back court.

BUT …Toronto misplayed their demands for Siakam and OG for a couple years, and got what they deserved. Adding #14 to Ant and taking back filler, short-term contracts and ONLY a 2-4 pick is an overpay for the Blazers … except that it’s not. It’s the cost of a rebuild.

The best the Blazers can do by Ant is to San Antonio for #4. Houston would be decent, too. Washington is a bit rude, but if it’s for Sarr or Risacher, guaranteed, then being rude is understandable.

Ant is a better guard right now than Risacher MAY ever be as a forward. That’s the risk for the Blazers. No risk-it, no biscuit.

 

sure. like Lou Williams.

Trouble is when Lou Williams won his 3rd 6MOY award he was paid 8M when the salary cap was 102M. Standardizing 6MOY salary with this season's 136M cap, Williams would have made 10.7M. Ant made 24M

I wonder what the average NBA salary is for 6th-7th in rotation players..? I'd think it would be pretty close to the projected Williams salary















I just think trying to justify keeping Ant as a 6th man fails scrutiny. It's just not realistic. It's a logical contortion that concedes his unsuitability as a starter

 

Why because of his salary? His ability seems perfect for coming off the bench.

All teams need scoring off the bench. Ant can score
All teams need multiple players who can get you a bucket in the closing minute of a game. Simons can create his shot on 3 levels.
He can come off the bench and he can close games. He has value and he will get his minutes.

Is he being paid too much? I don't care. The only time it really makes a difference to me is when we are on the brink of being a contender and we need to sign the one Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level free agent to get us over the hump. Are we close to that scenario?

Like many others have said, trade Simons in a package that brings back a difference-maker. If not then keep him. What is the worst-case scenario, he walks in two years and we miss out on a late 1st round pick? We would save that salary that you seem concerned with. Really the only salary that is a concern on this team is Grant's. The rest are done after two seasons.

 

this was supposed to be Simons breakout season. The Ant fans (team media) jacked up his stats in podcasts. A dynamic young guard averaging 30/6/8. Portland is getting a bargain with his less then max salary !! Oh, and his defense is improving, so let's move onto the next topic.

In reality, Simons busted his shooting thumb in game in 1. I was surprised it didn't take him long to get back in the flow

Now.. those 30/6/8 numbers did happen, but it wasn't Simons average.

Those mean opponents who wanted to win would throw traps and double teams at Anfernee. It wasn't fair. Simons would get blitzed and try to find a passing lane. Most of the time Chauncey's guys were superglued in the corners waiting for a kick out. Occasionally the screening big would come back to the ball as a release valve.

The secondary offense off an Ant trap was probably the worst in the NBA. Those trappers menaced Simons and would sometimes get a deflection and steal the ball. With everyone shoved on the baseline in Billups broken trap busting sets, turnovers up top became an easy deuce for opponents.

> Things Portland can work on this summer. A new adaptive offense that doesn't begin with putting the 3 best defenders on the baseline. It's just asking for trouble trying to recover in transition defense.

But I have doubts glaring and simple problems will get fixed. The Blazer want to lose for better rookies. If it's broke, then don't fix it.

 

yes

 

He must be a chair then...

 

So what is Ben Simmons when healthy? He can guard all 5 positions.
IMO Ant is SG on offense and needs to be on the floor next to a bigger PG like Brogdon, Banton, or maybe eventually Scoot if his defense improves. Scoot weighs in at 202 with a 6'9" wing. He is big enough to guard SGs.......maybe better than he defends quicker PGs.

They all have goals. But because he is still in his mid-20s he thinks he needs to start? They can't all start. Ant was the 24th pick in the draft. Thybulle was 20th, Murray was 23rd, Robert Williams was 27th. They all want to start but for various reasons, they will not.

My guess as long as he gets to play 30 minutes a game he will be fine. He already got paid with his 100 million contract, and he will more than likely get paid another 100 million before he retires. At his point, I am assuming his goal now is to win, and in order to win, he will need to come off the bench. If not for the Blazers then someone else. (except for a very few exceptions)

How much you make should not determine if you start or come off the bench.

 

If the pattern holds, the guy we draft in 2024 or 2025 will be the guy who we will need to get rid of Sharpe to make room for.