Anfernee Simons trade destinations

Ant is a get-his-own-bucket, 3-level scorer with Dame-moves … and who has improved on both initiating and playing some D. Ant vs. CJ? Ant. He’s not a trade him to get it done guy. With Scoot and Sharpe, I’m confident the Blazers choose to get value in a Simon’s trade.

The reality of the Malcolm-plus trade for Deni is pending — but it was a strong move combined with getting their chosen guy while not moving up from 7.

Grant is looking like the next domino. It’s Deni at the 3 with Walker, Murray, Camara and Reath fighting for the 4-spot.

 

Actually a good argument to run back these 3 guards next season. I'm not convinced Scoot is a starting level NBA PG. Would hate to move Ant now, acquire a couple great forwards, Scoot underwhelms, and in a few years time we're ready to contend but desperately lacking a starting PG.

 

Ant isn't a starting PG for a contending team either. If Scoot isn't the answer at PG we need to find out sooner rather than later. But he needs to have the job before we can figure that out.

Trade Ant for a pick and we can take a shot at another PG with that pick if need be.

 

I think it depends on what you want from your pg. per 36, Scoot averaged more assists, more FTA and played better defense.

 

He also averages way more turnovers per 36 mins, a worse FG and 3%, and can’t consistently hit 3’s to spread the floor.

 

Yeah, "talent" it's always a tricky way to measure things. Nate is smart to use terms like that so he can have wiggleroom when he makes those types of statements.

 

you don't know what gauges teams look at; none of us do. You can pretend like you do, but nobody is buying

yes....Portland was a shitty defensive team last season. So, on the 4th shittiest defensive team last season...

defensive rating:

Moses Brown 114
Matisse Thybulle 114
Deandre Ayton 114
Ibou Badji 115
Jabari Walker 116
Ashton Hagans 117
Dalano Banton 117
Duop Reath 117
Toumani Camara 117
Kris Murray 118
Skylar Mays 119
Shaedon Sharpe 119
Justin Minaya 120
Rayan Rupert 120
Malcolm Brogdon 120
Scoot Henderson 120
Jerami Grant 120
Anfernee Simons 121


defensive box +/-:

Matisse Thybulle 3.4
Robert Williams 2.9
Ibou Badji 1.9
Ashton Hagans 0.9
Toumani Camara 0.0
Deandre Ayton -0.2
Kris Murray -0.2
Justin Minaya -0.5
Duop Reath -0.7
Malcolm Brogdon -0.7
Jabari Walker -0.9
Shaedon Sharpe -0.9
Dalano Banton -0.9
Jerami Grant -1.1
Rayan Rupert -1.2
Scoot Henderson -2.3
Moses Brown -2.4
Anfernee Simons -2.5

Ant was dead last in both categories. His defensive rating was 3.5 points worse than his team's. That's persuasive

but arguing about the validity of his defensive stats isn't necessary. We saw Ant's defense last season and just about everybody who watched knows that Ant absolutely sucked at defense. His reactions were terrible, his lateral mobility was poor, and his rotations were constantly confused. Those stats are just confirming the eyeball test.

state your case, of all the Blazer players who logged 20 games or more last season, which were actually worse defenders than Ant?
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by the way, the 2022-23 Blazers

defensive rating:

Jusuf Nurkić 114
Drew Eubanks 115
Gary Payton II 116
Matisse Thybulle 116
Justise Winslow 118
Josh Hart 118
John Butler 119
Keon Johnson 119
Cam Reddish 119
Trendon Watford 119
Kevin Knox 120
Jabari Walker 120
Nassir Little 120
Jerami Grant 120
Shaedon Sharpe 121
Damian Lillard 121
Anfernee Simons 123

DBPM:

Gary Payton II 1.4
Matisse Thybulle 1.1
Drew Eubanks 0.9
Josh Hart 0.7
Jusuf Nurkić 0.7
Justise Winslow 0.6
Trendon Watford -0.4
Damian Lillard -1.2
Jerami Grant -1.4
Nassir Little -1.4
Keon Johnson -1.6
Shaedon Sharpe -2.0
Jabari Walker -2.1
Anfernee Simons -2.5
Kevin Knox -2.7

2021-22 shows the same thing. Anfernee Simons: unfairly the victim of consistently misleading defensive stats. Thank god for Kevin Knox, right?

 

Ya. He’s young.

 

Ok first off all, why didn't you post Scoot stats as well when I asked to compare it to Ant's?

BTW, I have a wonderful stat for you. Did you know Scoot is the 6th worse plus/minus in the ENTIRE NBA? Let me repeat, 6th WORSE in the NBA. That's a great stat isn't it? Your crappy DBPM stats are horrible, and I love how you left out Scoot's full stats and didn't even use PLUS/MINUS, which Scoot is horrible in.

Also, you are actually helping my argument for those saying Scoot is a good defender and better than Ant, since you did the full team stats. Scoot is barely, and I repeat barely better than Simons in those dumb stats you posted. So if you're going to bash Simons, bash Scoot too.

But no, guys are to bias in their judgment in Ant then they go and shoot themselves in the foot by saying Scoot is a better defender lmao. Thanks bro, and egg in the face to those that say Scoot is a better defender lol. 6th worse plus/minus in the ENTIRE NBA!

 

so was Sebastian Telfair. I can play this game with you guys all day long, you guys want to spin it one way and i counter and spin it the other way.

 

But why?

 

But why? All you can say is he is young. That doesn't mean anything. Did Westbrooke, someone who Scoot looks up too, improve his 3's and FT% as he got older? Ill wait for you to answer that. You see, you can't reply anything really, but Ill answer your question.

Many are fickle and bias in here, consistently put a negative spin on things when they want to try and make a point, and when they voice their reasons why, in sight in makes them look so silly and makes little sense.

Talking about Ant's defense then saying Scoot is a better/good defender, then wizenheimer silly defensive stats showing Scoot is BARELY and basically just as bad as Ant is hilarious. They basically put their own foot in their mouth.

Not to mention Scoot has the 6th worse plus/minus stats in the whole NBA. I don't even put anything into that dumb plus/minus stats as its flawed too, but once again, I can play that game and put a spin on things.

 

No argument that Scoot has a LOT to prove this year, for me this coming season should pretty much tell us whether he will eventually be a starting caliber PG. If we don't trade Ant I would bring him off the bench whether he likes it or not. Let Scoot and Shae start and see where the chips fall.

 

Who cares about plus minus? Why did you pick that stat?

 

6yrs in league vs 1. We can afford to give Scoot more time..

We'll start getting less return on Ant the longer we keep him.

If Scoot can't get it done as the lead point we need to know that sooner rather than later. We already know that Ant isn't good enough and he won't be making any huge leaps after his 6th year in the league.

 

If you read the post below, i literally said I don’t even care about plus/minus stats because it’s flawed.

And I certainly don’t care about the even more flawed stats that wizenheimer posted to try to prove his point.

so thank you, who cares about plus/minus stats and who cares about the even more faulty stats that wizenheimer posted.

you just helped my argument that him posting those stats are a joke.

 

You think Joe is trying to trade Ant to a destination he prefers?

Is it that Ant doesn't have what other teams want, or is it that Joe has a hard time peddling players?
Or both?

 

Well here goes another countered point that makes what you said flawed.

How many games has Ant actually been starting as our starting PG? I’ll wait.

Scoot has more starts at the PG than Ant lmao.

If you want to talk about sample size and we talking about strictly the PG starting spot, Ant sample size is smaller than Scoot.

Ant has really only had 2 seasons where he was consistent starter. The year with Dame when he was playing SG.

last season he started the season as our starting SG and only slide into the starting PG role after Scoot got hurt. Oh and Ant missed a big chunk to start last season with a hand injury.

 

I didn't post about Scoot because it was a debate about Ant in a thread about Ant

just because Scott had a disappointing rookie season as a 19 year old NBA PG doesn't mean those Simons stats I posted were inaccurate. Those were just the numbers. You're allowed to add any context you want.